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[Zimm]

This topic has obviously touched a nerve with MUD members. Buying a Cruiser is as much an emotional issue as a financial one. For the experience to immediately go wrong is devastating emotionally and financially.

The positive side of this experience is that we can all learn something from it. Whether this, as Ncturnal suggests is a "FAR from an open and shut case. . . " remains to be seen.

The best thing to do right now is maintain a calm head (me as well) and let's see how this plays out. It's conclusion will have ramifications both for buyers and sellers and the support of the Landcruiser enthusiasts on IH8MUD.

I suspect the resolution will take awhile but we will let the IH8MUD members know how it plays out.

good advice. i agree.











but why didn't you run with this before the hawkemafia started two threads based on slamming the guy for not paying for the motor and flights around canuckistan?

zoiks. i'm almost (only almost) happy for the existance of thread tut-rification.

 

[crushers]

Is there a high nickel alloy version of the head available?
I know you can get it for the 3B.
Cruiser_guy has one on his BJ60 (turbo 3B) as well as his daughter on her FJ55 (turbo 3B).

I think cruiser_guy said they were $1500 CND shipped a few years ago, and that they came out of Australia. They were supposed to be very resistant to cracking.

I wonder if that option is available for the 2LT.
Would be a nice if you did not have all the heat worries.

Cheers.
Nick

the 3L head is "supposed" to be a stronger casting and the part number for the original head has a change up number. why? i am not sure. there is a possibility that it is due to stronger castings but who knows for sure.
i have tried to gt 3L heads here but no luck so far (and my effort was feeble to say the least).
now for the bad news (or maybe good news), will the LJ78 pass the OOP once it arrives in Sasketchewan?
cheers

 

[crushers]

This topic has obviously touched a nerve with MUD members. Buying a Cruiser is as much an emotional issue as a financial one. For the experience to immediately go wrong is devastating emotionally and financially.
The best thing to do right now is maintain a calm head (me as well) and let's see how this plays out. It's conclusion will have ramifications both for buyers and sellers and the support of the Landcruiser enthusiasts on IH8MUD.

I suspect the resolution will take awhile but we will let the IH8MUD members know how it plays out.

the best post so far. some times it is hard to keep a calm head especially when it comes to family members...
cheers and peace

 

[CanSurf]

According to the Australian boards I have read the 3L head is what Toyota replaces the 2LT heads with when they come in cracked. Trying to find a 3L anything in Canada is next to impossible...ask me how I know.

Wes

the 3L head is "supposed" to be a stronger casting and the part number for the original head has a change up number. why? i am not sure. there is a possibility that it is due to stronger castings but who knows for sure.
i have tried to gt 3L heads here but no luck so far (and my effort was feeble to say the least).
now for the bad news (or maybe good news), will the LJ78 pass the OOP once it arrives in Sasketchewan?
cheers

 

[crushers]

so deos this mean the change up number is actually for the 3L head?
cheers

 

[crushers]

never mind, i checked the part numbers and they are not the same... bummer.
cheers

 

[CanSurf]

Here is a link to a couple places in Australia that have the replacement head, but shipping will be a couple hundred. I don't know about the high nickel ones though. I thought Wayne was putting them in the trucks he got, but from his post above that apparently isn't the case.

http://www.japparts.com.au/products/Aftermarket-engine.htm
http://www.gwengineparts.com.au/website/index.html

Wes

Is there a high nickel alloy version of the head available?
I know you can get it for the 3B.
Cruiser_guy has one on his BJ60 (turbo 3B) as well as his daughter on her FJ55 (turbo 3B).

I think cruiser_guy said they were $1500 CND shipped a few years ago, and that they came out of Australia. They were supposed to be very resistant to cracking.

I wonder if that option is available for the 2LT.
Would be a nice if you did not have all the heat worries.

Cheers.
Nick

 

[Previa Diesel]

I would not buy a head made in some foundry in Guandung or India or who knows where. Castle Hill Toyota (google it) sells genuine Japanese made 3L heads for about $700. Australian. What is that in CAN$, about $500? $250. should get it here air-freight!

Get a gasket with the large coolant holes too...

Couple a days wrenchin and she'll be right.

 

[CanSurf]

The Geoff Walsh ones are Japan made I believe. At least the crank I inquired about was. Geoff Walsh has a very good reputation.

Wes

I would not buy a head made in some foundry in Guandung or India or who knows where. Castle Hill Toyota (google it) sells genuine Japanese made 3L heads for about $700. Australian. What is that in CAN$, about $500? $250. should get it here air-freight!

Get a gasket with the large coolant holes too...

Couple a days wrenchin and she'll be right.

 

[crushers]

Here is a link to a couple places in Australia that have the replacement head, but shipping will be a couple hundred. I don't know about the high nickel ones though. I thought Wayne was putting them in the trucks he got, but from his post above that apparently isn't the case.

http://www.japparts.com.au/products/Aftermarket-engine.htm
http://www.gwengineparts.com.au/website/index.html

Wes

nope, i was hoping to use them but i got squat for support from Dan so i went with the replacement 2LTE heads.
i was also toying with doing an automatic head replacement on the LJ78s i was bringing in but the cost was phohibitive so i stopped bringing in the LJ78 all together. i have one last one to sell then that will be it unless it is a special order and even then it will come with a STRONG warning about the head issue.

cheers

 

[crushers]

I would not buy a head made in some foundry in Guandung or India or who knows where. Castle Hill Toyota (google it) sells genuine Japanese made 3L heads for about $700. Australian. What is that in CAN$, about $500? $250. should get it here air-freight!

Get a gasket with the large coolant holes too...

Couple a days wrenchin and she'll be right.

my appologies for mixing you and Adam up, it was not intentional.
cheers

 

[Cruisin'Carolina]

bajeeeezuuss!!

I guess by taking the legal advice given, I should delete all the posts about my high-mileage 60 for sale, and shut up and only answer very factually only what is asked, and make sure it is taken from my property on a flat-bed?

Or, I could relay everything I know and suspect about a quarter-million mile rig, sell it for $2K or so, and pray that the buyer doesn't expect one-way airfare and towing and a engine rebuild after he leaves.......I have to hope he doesn't forget it is geared for 55mph, not 75mph....

I'll take option 2

Gotta love the laws that "protect" us.

 

[champjack]

hawkemafia that is too funny im glad there on my side

 

[champjack]

by the way some good may have come out of this for you wayne.with the cruiser sitting at the dealership customers that were waiting for shuttle rids, took great interest in my non running ride. my wife got many opportunities to open doors and show off features of my cruiser and did not hesitate to give out your name and number to the many people drooling over the unit. so maybe you will be even busier

 

[crushers]

thank you, i appreciate it.

how soon will your ride be ready?
<i talked to Mike and Dean and they couldn't even start on it till July 4th...>

will you be stopping by on your way back out east or is it a straight drive home for yah?
cheers

 

[semlin]

I'm a friend of Adam's as I clearly stated in my post.
At no time did I even remotely imply that I have faith in all Canadians.

sorry, i misread your statement that you know and trust canadam to be that you knew canadians and trusted them .

While the LC most likely was not driven hard in the manner I described in my case, I learned today while reading on this informative message board that her trip over the Rockies could be viewed in the same light as driving my turbo car hard, and it could have easily cause the very problems involved, and special precautions needed to be taken. Is there anyone even disputing this point so far?

I am. Adam knew it was going over the rockies. that made it part of the purpose for which it was purchased and was required to be fit. Unless she drove it abnormally or did not follow some special instructions he gave her, he can't blame the driver.

Hopefully your comprehesion of law is better since you try to post like you are an authority regarding it.

why do you have to be insulting?

In your feeble attempt at making yourself look smart on the internet, you prove Canadam's case for him.

why do you have to be insulting?

Your assumption that the vehicle already had a flaw is not a proven fact. It is speculative at best and that won't win you many court cases. Expert testamony has contridicted your belief, and no amount of mundane, rambling posts from you will change that.

you are asking the wrong question. the legal question is whether I can show that it is more likely than not that a vehicle that blew a head after 300km of driving already had the defect that led the head to crack when it was sold. I will take my chances on ptoving that. as with all expert witnesses, you have to pay close attention to the question they are answering. They are saying the head wasn't cracked when adam turned over the keys. that doesn't mean that the susceptibility to crack was not there. that's like saying there is no liability if a car throws a rod a block from the dealer because the rod wasn't thrown when it left the dealer.

Your assumption also questions Canadam's integrity and therefore makes relating my personal experiences with him relavent to this discussion.

please show me where i question adam's integrity anywhere. I think you will find you are mistaken?

 

[semlin]

bajeeeezuuss!!

I guess by taking the legal advice given, I should delete all the posts about my high-mileage 60 for sale, and shut up and only answer very factually only what is asked, and make sure it is taken from my property on a flat-bed?

Or, I could relay everything I know and suspect about a quarter-million mile rig, sell it for $2K or so, and pray that the buyer doesn't expect one-way airfare and towing and a engine rebuild after he leaves.......I have to hope he doesn't forget it is geared for 55mph, not 75mph....

I'll take option 2

Gotta love the laws that "protect" us.

Cruisin, if you choose option 2, as i would, all you have to do is write up the bill of sale carefully and not rely on the words "as is" to save your ass. is that so difficult?

 

[Cruisin'Carolina]

Maybe I don't have the skills or the knowledge to use anything but an accepted form.

It would be difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.

There has to be a reason "as-is", no warranty explicitly or implied, works.

Otherwise, half of all car sales would be actionable and contestable.

You sound like you know what you are talking about, I'm not doubting your knowledge, nor shooting the messenger.

The law sucks and was obviously enacted to protect the stupid from getting any smarter.

How do you feel about selling anything? I'm taking this as to having to find out the ideology of every buyer I deal with.

 

[champjack]

my unit should be looked at tomorrow some time and with any luck fixed up in the next few days fingers crossed. i would love to stop in Calgary i have to have some good come out of my summer vacation not starting off to well....i will let you know and maybe my wife and i could stop by

 

[semlin]

Maybe I don't have the skills or the knowledge to use anything but an accepted form.

It would be difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.

There has to be a reason "as-is", no warranty explicitly or implied, works.

Otherwise, half of all car sales would be actionable and contestable.

You sound like you know what you are talking about, I'm not doubting your knowledge, nor shooting the messenger.

The law sucks and was obviously enacted to protect the stupid from getting any smarter.

How do you feel about selling anything? I'm taking this as to having to find out the ideology of every buyer I deal with.

i am 100% with you as to how I sell and I do find it annoying that you have to cover your butt when you sell stuff that way but that is the law up here, especially if you sell cars for a living, which i don't. the law was passed more than 100 years ago to discourage fraud by sellers that was difficult to detect. it has worked extremely well in England, where it originated, and throughout the commonwealth, including Canada.

"no warranty express or implied" added to "as is where is" would almost get you there, but if you choose to provide a bunch of information to the buyer, you really need to go further and also say "the buyer agrees that he has had the opportunity to test drive and have the vehicle inspected and will not rely on any statements, representations or warranties made by the seller". This will cover you except for fraud.