Elate Supercharger install

[x8o8drifter]

Slew of dumb questions...

The upgraded fuel pump, does that have to be installed in the gas tank? Bc if I'm dropping the gas tank, I might as well replace it with LRA tank while it's out.

Are new fuel injectors necessary? Or would cleaning stock ones suffice?

Where does one learn about lambda and other variables that matter after doing this mod?

Which gauges are necessary to install and keep an eye on after this mod?

@J1000 @obe12
Thank you

1. Google
where stock pump is

2. Google
stock injector size and then how much HP the SC is suposed to add, then do some math

3. Google

4. Google
and IMO if your even asking this this is not something you should be doing yourself. IE: Pay out the @$$ to have someone do it right.
Like giving a little kid a loaded gun who has never seen or handled one.

 

[Patassa]

1. Google
where stock pump is

2. Google
stock injector size and then how much HP the SC is suposed to add, then do some math

3. Google

4. Google
and IMO if your even asking this this is not something you should be doing yourself. IE: Pay out the @$$ to have someone do it right.
Like giving a little kid a loaded gun who has never seen or handled one.

Why would you even bother writing this?

1. I'm double checking that this is completely necessary as I can't recall if these two guys actually upgraded the fuel pump, if they used the access panel, or had to drop the tank.

2. Why would I google and start with vague or theoretical results when I have two guys here who have actually done the work and can speak from experience? I didn't tag you, the question wasn't directed at you. If one of them wants to tell me to F off and go google, fine. But generally they are very helpful, so I don't expect that.

3. No, I suspect these two guys can point me in the right direction and help me avoid any pitfalls or inaccurate information and speed up the learning curve by telling me what's important and what's not from their experience.

4. Again, no. If I google this question, I'm likely to find these same threads and end up right back here. Asking which guages they've found most important or useful after a year/years of running thier SCs means I shouldnt be doing this myself?

You've added nothing of value for anyone, you're pretty new here, this isn't reddit. We generally try to help each other and refrain being a dick for no reason. Maybe this isn't the forum for you.

 

[J1000]

Slew of dumb questions...

The upgraded fuel pump, does that have to be installed in the gas tank? Bc if I'm dropping the gas tank, I might as well replace it with LRA tank while it's out.

Are new fuel injectors necessary? Or would cleaning stock ones suffice?

Where does one learn about lambda and other variables that matter after doing this mod?

Which gauges are necessary to install and keep an eye on after this mod?

@J1000 @obe12
Thank you

Upgraded fuel pump is probably a good idea. If yours is in good condition or recently replaced then it will probably be fine. You can do the fuel pump through the access panel. Hardest part is removing the heavy ass seat.

At low boost about 5 PSI I used stock fuel injectors with a rising rate fuel pressure regulator. When I went to 7 PSI pulley I upgraded to 380cc injectors because I was getting hesitation off the line and a little bit lean up top. I use an adjustable fuel regulator to tune in the fuel pressure.

You want a wideband AFR gauge minimum. Or use Torque and monitor AFRs religously until you get an idea of how it runs in various conditions.

From my experience you can run the SC with the stock ECU just fine as long as you have a plan to tweak the fuel delivery.

I am also at 6000ft elevation so things at sea level might be a lot different.

 

[Patassa]

Upgraded fuel pump is probably a good idea. If yours is in good condition or recently replaced then it will probably be fine. You can do the fuel pump through the access panel. Hardest part is removing the heavy ass seat.

At low boost about 5 PSI I used stock fuel injectors with a rising rate fuel pressure regulator. When I went to 7 PSI pulley I upgraded to 380cc injectors because I was getting hesitation off the line and a little bit lean up top. I use an adjustable fuel regulator to tune in the fuel pressure.

You want a wideband AFR gauge minimum. Or use Torque and monitor AFRs religously until you get an idea of how it runs in various conditions.

From my experience you can run the SC with the stock ECU just fine as long as you have a plan to tweak the fuel delivery.

I am also at 6000ft elevation so things at sea level might be a lot different.

Much appreciated!

 

[x8o8drifter]

Why would you even both writing this?

1. I'm double checking that this is completely necessary as I can't recall if these two guys actually upgraded the fuel pump, if they used the access panel, or had to drop the tank.

2. Why would I google and start with vague or theoretical results when I have two guys here who have actually done the work and can speak from experience? I didn't tag you, the question wasn't directed at you. If one of them wants to tell me to F off and go google, fine. But generally they are very helpful, so I don't expect that.

3. No, I suspect these two guys can point me in the right direction and help me avoid any pitfalls or inaccurate information and speed up the learning curve by telling me what's important and what's not from their experience.

4. Again, no. If I google this question, I'm likely to find these same threads and end up right back here. Asking which guages they've found most important or useful after a year/years of running thier SCs means I should be doing this myself?

You'd added nothing of value for anyone, you're pretty new here, this isn't reddit. We generally try to help each other and refrain being a dick for no reason. Maybe this isn't the forum for you.

You just asked and gave us NO indication that your even tried looking 1st. (Unless it was buried somewhere in the tons of posts you make bacause you dont lump all your replies in one post and reply ot each with a separate post.)

1. If you had included that instead of just "The upgraded fuel pump, does that have to be installed in the gas tank? Bc if I'm dropping the gas tank, I might as well replace it with LRA tank while it's out." it would have shown your train of thought. You made it look like you didnt even try looking at anything.

2. It's not theoretical. It's math.
How much fuel does an engine of a certain size at a certain pressure (boost) need for a certain RPM.

3. True, but also its not magic. Lambda/AFR is the pretty much the same for everything. (Talking one fuel only, yes it will be difernt for other fuels like Ethanol/Meth/ETC)

4. Here.
Wideband AFR Gauge and Boost Gauge (At a minimum this)
EGT Gauge (if you want to keep an eye on the temps also)
Oil Temp and Pressure Gauge.
Pretty sure a ScanGauge can do Boost/Oil temp/press.

But also you should know why you need to be looking at those things. Not just for numbers that are too high/low.

New HERE not to building/tuning cars. And I mean REAL tuning, not slapping wheels and off the shelf coils on a car and calling it "tuning".
Suspension/Areo/Engine both carb and EFI.
I wasn't trying to "be a dick", you've been here long enough to also know "Use the search" is thrown around a lot. Especially for those people who at first glance look like they didn't even try searching/learning a bit first. Which is exactly what it looked like in this entire thread history before you asked your questions.

Brutal. I'm finally ready to pull the trigger on the project but getting hit with a 25% penalty really blows.

Tariff gone?

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Starting to agree completely on the 5.7 vs 4.7. The head gasket issues they are having over there give me major pause to buy a 200 vs. just buying this kit after I'd already modded my 100 to do everything I could ever need. Just needs more power in the mountains and this seems to solve that with a reliable option. I've reached out to Elate to get the process started.

Will do, will be interesting to see what the final number shakes out to be. Either way, much cheaper than a 200 series and rolling the dice on an engine problem. Shame we can't even look at GX550's or LX600s for an "upgrade". Zero chance I'm dancing with that TTV6 right now. The engineer in me screams "design flaw", as the machining debris excuse doensn't make much sense to me anymore.

 

[Patassa]

You just asked and gave us NO indication that your even tried looking 1st. (Unless it was buried somewhere in the tons of posts you make bacause you dont lump all your replies in one post and reply ot each with a separate post.)

1. If you had included that instead of just "The upgraded fuel pump, does that have to be installed in the gas tank? Bc if I'm dropping the gas tank, I might as well replace it with LRA tank while it's out." it would have shown your train of thought. You made it look like you didnt even try looking at anything.

2. It's not theoretical. It's math.
How much fuel does an engine of a certain size at a certain pressure (boost) need for a certain RPM.

3. True, but also its not magic. Lambda/AFR is the pretty much the same for everything. (Talking one fuel only, yes it will be difernt for other fuels like Ethanol/Meth/ETC)

4. Here.
Wideband AFR Gauge and Boost Gauge (At a minimum this)
EGT Gauge (if you want to keep an eye on the temps also)
Oil Temp and Pressure Gauge.
Pretty sure a ScanGauge can do Boost/Oil temp/press.

But also you should know why you need to be looking at those things. Not just for numbers that are too high/low.

New HERE not to building/tuning cars. And I mean REAL tuning, not slapping wheels and off the shelf coils on a car and calling it "tuning".
Suspension/Areo/Engine both carb and EFI.
I wasn't trying to "be a dick", you've been here long enough to also know "Use the search" is thrown around a lot. Especially for those people who at first glance look like they didn't even try searching/learning a bit first. Which is exactly what it looked like in this entire thread history before you asked your questions.

LOL, Are you the forum police? Go touch some grass.

 

[J1000]

Supercharger good drama bad

 

[Patassa]

In case it's not obvious, they changed the orientation/design of the entry from right hand to forward and added this adapter. Looks like it should bolt right in and hook up to the air box with minimal to no real issues.

I put the order in, Elate is telling me 4 week lead time. Shipping was over $500, so factor that in, and they are telling me be prepared for 35% tariff.

Don't matter, don't care, I'm keeping this 100 series for as long as it will go.

 

[Patassa]

Just going to pile on and say the valve body is so worth it. By far the best drivetrain upgrade of all the things I've done to my LX.

I'm trying to find one domestically to avoid more tariffs.

 

[Papa Wickey]

I'm trying to find one domestically to avoid more tariffs.

I don't know if there's anyone selling them locally. I think XAT would be a good place to check but I doubt it would be a full kit and you'd probably have to piece everything together

 

[J1000]

Cruisers and Company here in CO is the US rep but I don't know if they keep them in stock.

I bought all this stuff back before tarriffs when the AUD in the toilet and it was so worth it even though I've been eating ramen every night since.

 

[Patassa]

In case it's not obvious, they changed the orientation/design of the entry from right hand to forward and added this adapter. Looks like it should bolt right in and hook up to the air box with minimal to no real issues.

I put the order in, Elate is telling me 4 week lead time. Shipping was over $500, so factor that in, and they are telling me be prepared for 35% tariff.

Don't matter, don't care, I'm keeping this 100 series for as long as it will go.

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Update, bill from DHL for import duties is about $980. I was prepared for $2K so good enough.

 

[Papa Wickey]

Update, bill from DHL for import duties is about $980. I was prepared for $2K so good enough.

So landed cost in 2026 is around $7700-7800? Not terrible though would still need a bit more as far as upgrading fuel pump and whatever way you try to control the extra fuel/air. Still cheaper than a FTE swap though.

 

[rock climber]

Will the AEM 50-1000 work if I don't plan on E85? It's 340 LPH and "should" fit.

 

[obe12]

Update, bill from DHL for import duties is about $980. I was prepared for $2K so good enough.

On your supercharger, that’s my picture I took of mine you posted, that I got from elate. 2UZ non VVTI 60 mm intercooler. That intake was complete either in that picture and Elate had to do and angle adapter on the end to mount my throttle plate to point it to my airbox. If you considering the side entry. It seeps “turns” back to far to line up with my airbox.

Also the throttle cable was too short and had to remake it.

I don’t regret the install. Pricy yes, worth it yes. My truck has 40k miles on the supercharger system now. Zero issues so far.

Just some hurdles to climb over getting it all to work.

Belt length was an issue too. Belt stretch would cause tensioner to take up slack, and belt around the idler tensioner would rise and rub belt running across the top if it. Had to get a shorter belt…

Once I changed sc drive pulley, again shorter belt again.

Take care

Tex

 

[David310]

Will the AEM 50-1000 work if I don't plan on E85? It's 340 LPH and "should" fit.

Yeah that will work. I have a DW300 which is a 340LPH for when I install SC. Also upgraded injectors per Obe12’s image. You will also need a 1:1 rising adjustable fuel pressure regulator. What pulley are you going with? I plan to run 75mm which should net 7-8psi of boost. Also you will need colder spark plugs and a different upper rad hose. Can post images/PNs later if needed.

 

[obe12]

Yeah that will work. I have a DW300 which is a 340LPH for when I install SC. Also upgraded injectors per Obe12’s image. You will also need a 1:1 rising adjustable fuel pressure regulator. What pulley are you going with? I plan to run 75mm which should net 7-8psi of boost. Also you will need colder spark plugs and a different upper rad hose. Can post images/PNs later if needed.

David310

Howdy, are you planning stock lower end engine with 7-8 PSI boost?

Depending on your altitude “MSL” you are operating, 7-8 could he ok… down near sea level I wouldn’t plan that much. Ask Elate and year / version of 4.7 you have just to cover yourself. I am 6-7 psi now at 600 feet above sea level and rare occasion “I think I hear spark knock” don’t know it for certain with my OE ecm, and 10.5 10.2 AFRs at that boost levels.

I have a fuel MaxxECU system to install if I will get time to sit down and learn fusion 360 and print a box for my plug and play connector PCB to not cut wires on my truck.

Great more to the party getting supercharged.

I have a Long Range Fuel Tank aux in my 100 24 gallon and love it. Hi way 500 miles in gas, town 400 miles. My 80 has a 38 I think maybe 36 gal long range as a main tank it’s huge…

The Costco credit card gas bill yikes! 150 plus a day ago when I filled up.

You guys ask what ever questions you need. Learn from our mistakes and or successes.

Doing the SC on the 100 was the single best upgrade I have ever done.

Take care all

Tex

 

[Papa Wickey]

David310

Howdy, are you planning stock lower end engine with 7-8 PSI boost?

Depending on your altitude “MSL” you are operating, 7-8 could he ok… down near sea level I wouldn’t plan that much. Ask Elate and year / version of 4.7 you have just to cover yourself. I am 6-7 psi now at 600 feet above sea level and rare occasion “I think I hear spark knock” don’t know it for certain with my OE ecm, and 10.5 10.2 AFRs at that boost levels.

I have a fuel MaxxECU system to install if I will get time to sit down and learn fusion 360 and print a box for my plug and play connector PCB to not cut wires on my truck.

Great more to the party getting supercharged.

I have a Long Range Fuel Tank aux in my 100 24 gallon and love it. Hi way 500 miles in gas, town 400 miles. My 80 has a 38 I think maybe 36 gal long range as a main tank it’s huge…

The Costco credit card gas bill yikes! 150 plus a day ago when I filled up.

You guys ask what ever questions you need. Learn from our mistakes and or successes.

Doing the SC on the 100 was the single best upgrade I have ever done.

Take care all

Tex

What's the ideal psi for stock bottom end? I had heard some anecdotal info about the non vvti rods being able to handle more power than the vvt

 

[rock climber]

Yeah that will work. I have a DW300 which is a 340LPH for when I install SC. Also upgraded injectors per Obe12’s image. You will also need a 1:1 rising adjustable fuel pressure regulator. What pulley are you going with? I plan to run 75mm which should net 7-8psi of boost. Also you will need colder spark plugs and a different upper rad hose. Can post images/PNs later if needed.

Thanks! I just bought a 2001 Sequoia with a TRD supercharger already installed. I'm getting some surging issues that feel like fuel cutting out so I'm about to open up the parts cannon

 

[David310]

David310

Howdy, are you planning stock lower end engine with 7-8 PSI boost?

Depending on your altitude “MSL” you are operating, 7-8 could he ok… down near sea level I wouldn’t plan that much. Ask Elate and year / version of 4.7 you have just to cover yourself. I am 6-7 psi now at 600 feet above sea level and rare occasion “I think I hear spark knock” don’t know it for certain with my OE ecm, and 10.5 10.2 AFRs at that boost levels.

I have a fuel MaxxECU system to install if I will get time to sit down and learn fusion 360 and print a box for my plug and play connector PCB to not cut wires on my truck.

Great more to the party getting supercharged.

I have a Long Range Fuel Tank aux in my 100 24 gallon and love it. Hi way 500 miles in gas, town 400 miles. My 80 has a 38 I think maybe 36 gal long range as a main tank it’s huge…

The Costco credit card gas bill yikes! 150 plus a day ago when I filled up.

You guys ask what ever questions you need. Learn from our mistakes and or successes.

Doing the SC on the 100 was the single best upgrade I have ever done.

Take care all

Tex

Hey Obe12, what size pulley are you running to see 6–7 psi, 75 mm? I’m also in DFW so we’re at about the same elevation.

I’m looking at a MaxxECU since I may swap in a Gen 1 8HP70 later, and it would also give me control over fueling and timing. I installed the 40gallon LRA tank earlier this year and love the extra range. You have more capacity so assume you're holding up the line at Costco

Are you running widebands on both banks? Also, is the 10.2–10.5 AFR only at WOT in the summer heat? Curious what it looks like when temperatures cool down.