Clarification on OME 2865 vs 2866

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I have had the ARB rear bumper for 8+ years now. Installed OME shocks about a year go, still feeling a bit soft and slight sag, so I plan to install the 2866 coil springs without spacers if possible. Car is daily suburban driver, not much off road or other heavy load. Will this do the job?
 
landarcht said:
I have had the ARB rear bumper for 8+ years now. Installed OME shocks about a year go, still feeling a bit soft and slight sag, so I plan to install the 2866 coil springs without spacers if possible. Car is daily suburban driver, not much off road or other heavy load. Will this do the job?
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I would think so assuming you're trying to keep stock-1.5" lift?

Your weight in the back due to the bumper would be similar to this truck's constant cargo area load:
 
Full loadout with stock springs and 30mm spacers:
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Full loadout with OME2866 springs:
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T-bars were indexed the same.
 
I am working to get my truck a bit happier with the weight it is carrying, hoping to get some insight on this and figured this is a good forum for this topic.

Here is where I am at:

- Stock front suspension, new shocks and slightly cranked torsion bars
- Fox 2.0 shocks in rear
- OME 2865 light / medium duty springs rated for I think max +250lbs

- I have a BIO rear bumper w/ tire and maxtrax @ approx 300lbs
- SS1 sleeper platform
- Front ARB bumper

Recently I removed my bumper and platform and the truck is riding a lot nicer, doesn't feel as rough around town and feels like a cruiser should feel. Now that I know it's possible I am dredding putting the bumper and platform back to go back to the old ride quality.

It would seem that I need to step up my springs to something heavier which leads me to my next question
>> If I step up to a OME spring that gives me more load capacity, is this going to require the front end to be modified as well to even it out? I don't want to start rebuilding everything and never really wanted a lift.


Seems like the general verdict out there is with body armor and some added weight the 2865 just doesn't cut it.
>>Anyone out there riding the OME2865 with extra weight with no complaints?
 
Maybe @crikeymike can chime in on this one. After doing some more research it seems like the Dobinson C59-185 is what I need
>>Coil Spring - https://www.dobinsonsprings.com/shop-online/toy-75_rear_coil-spring_c59-185-detail


This seems to check some boxes that OEM can't. It keeps a smaller lift, approx 1.5" but adds the capacity of 400lbs. This would allow my truck to handle the extra weight and not lift it enough where I have to start messing with the front end, diff drop, and other suspension components.

Any reason why this wouldn't be a good fit, could this make my ride even stiffer and worse? seems like with the extra weight I need to beef up my current OEM2865 setup.
 
Mike NXP said:
Maybe @crikeymike can chime in on this one. After doing some more research it seems like the Dobinson C59-185 is what I need
>>Coil Spring - https://www.dobinsonsprings.com/shop-online/toy-75_rear_coil-spring_c59-185-detail


This seems to check some boxes that OEM can't. It keeps a smaller lift, approx 1.5" but adds the capacity of 400lbs. This would allow my truck to handle the extra weight and not lift it enough where I have to start messing with the front end, diff drop, and other suspension components.

Any reason why this wouldn't be a good fit, could this make my ride even stiffer and worse? seems like with the extra weight I need to beef up my current OEM2865 setup.
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Thanks for the tag. I'm not sure if it's the wording you're using, but I just need to clarify:

C59-185 are 1.5" lift coils WITH 400LBS of constant rear weight on the back. If you don't have that weight, the height will go up. They are a stronger spring rate to handle that additional constant weight while also setting the lift height to that amount.

All of the rear coil options are listed here: Dobinsons 100 Series Landcruiser Rear Coil Spring Options - https://exitoffroad.com/product/dobinsons-rear-coil-spring-options-for-toyota-land-cruiser-100-series/

As long as you put your bumper back on, these would be suitable.

OME 2865 coils are 17mm wire, 460/460mm free height and 220lbf rate
C59-185 coils are 19mm wire, 480/490mm free height and 277lbf rate

You can see they're considerably stronger and also taller in free height than the lighter 2865's.
 
crikeymike said:
Thanks for the tag. I'm not sure if it's the wording you're using, but I just need to clarify:

C59-185 are 1.5" lift coils WITH 400LBS of constant rear weight on the back. If you don't have that weight, the height will go up. They are a stronger spring rate to handle that additional constant weight while also setting the lift height to that amount.

All of the rear coil options are listed here: Dobinsons 100 Series Landcruiser Rear Coil Spring Options - https://exitoffroad.com/product/dobinsons-rear-coil-spring-options-for-toyota-land-cruiser-100-series/

As long as you put your bumper back on, these would be suitable.

OME 2865 coils are 17mm wire, 460/460mm free height and 220lbf rate
C59-185 coils are 19mm wire, 480/490mm free height and 277lbf rate

You can see they're considerably stronger and also taller in free height than the lighter 2865's.
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Thanks for the reply I appreciate it, yep it sounds like we are on the same page. I am keeping the bumper w/ swingouts and drawers installed with a constant additional weight of approx 400lbs

It's my understanding to get the same weight capacity rating in the OME and other options, it would add too much of a lift for me requiring my front end to be way lower and needing adjustments/upgrades.

Wheras the Dobinson options gives me the added weight capacity but doesn't lift me out of spec, does that sound right?


@crikeymike , I can reach out direct if that's easier but I suppose my questions are,

>> If I swap out my coils for the C59-185 , is there anything else I would need to consider to accommodate this coil? I am running Fox2.0 shocks in the rear.

>> Would I potentially be creating an even stiffer ride?
 
Mike NXP said:
Thanks for the reply I appreciate it, yep it sounds like we are on the same page. I am keeping the bumper w/ swingouts and drawers installed with a constant additional weight of approx 400lbs

It's my understanding to get the same weight capacity rating in the OME and other options, it would add too much of a lift for me requiring my front end to be way lower and needing adjustments/upgrades.

Wheras the Dobinson options gives me the added weight capacity but doesn't lift me out of spec, does that sound right?


@crikeymike , I can reach out direct if that's easier but I suppose my questions are,

>> If I swap out my coils for the C59-185 , is there anything else I would need to consider to accommodate this coil? I am running Fox2.0 shocks in the rear.

>> Would I potentially be creating an even stiffer ride?
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I've never had a ride quality complaint with them in place and with the correct load on them. Fox shocks are known to be on the firm side. These are a stronger rate and made different, so the ride will change.

No, you don't need to change out anything else with the coil change
 
crikeymike said:
I've never had a ride quality complaint with them in place and with the correct load on them. Fox shocks are known to be on the firm side. These are a stronger rate and made different, so the ride will change.

No, you don't need to change out anything else with the coil change
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OK thanks, I will work with the sales rep I spoke with this morning to get the order going. I emailed him earlier, I believe you are currently out of stock?

I just really want to get the ride feeling like it does now with no weight, which I suspect is easier said than done. Sounds like the 2865 just aren't meant for the 400lb range and the result is a very rough ride that feels like I am riding with 100psi in my tires.

Without adding any lift the 59-185 seems to be the best option for my situation.
 
Mike NXP said:
OK thanks, I will work with the sales rep I spoke with this morning to get the order going. I emailed him earlier, I believe you are currently out of stock?
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You can place a backorder on my site if you want, so I get the sale. They're due to arrive around the end of the month.
 
SouthSide said:
Are the OME coils 2865/2866's offset heights like the stock ones? Taller coil on the driver's side?
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Yes they should be

EDIT: they're not, they're the same on both sides
 
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TheLCProject said:
That wasn't my experience.
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Same here. The 2866 coils I installed were identical with no marking or anything indicating a difference between the two. They both had the same part number too.
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87warrior said:
Same here. The 2866 coils I installed were identical with no marking or anything indicating a difference between the two. They both had the same part number too.
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Yeah, and if I am remembering right, I had an email conversation with Cruiser Outfitters and they indicated that OME stopped differentiating with the modern springs.
 
crikeymike said:
Yes they should be
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TheLCProject said:
That wasn't my experience.
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87warrior said:
Same here. The 2866 coils I installed were identical with no marking or anything indicating a difference between the two. They both had the same part number too.
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Sorry, my bad (replied before checking the app guide). I just checked the OME specs and they are both the same free height on both sides. That's unusual to me though because 2863, 2864, 2868 are all offset, one side being 10mm higher than the other.
 
TheLCProject said:
Yeah, and if I am remembering right, I had an email conversation with Cruiser Outfitters and they indicated that OME stopped differentiating with the modern springs.
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Probably because they offer a trim packer which is easier to make and offer when needed rather than making offset height coils, which takes twice the effort to make and organize during production.
 
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