Any 200 series owners considering a 2017 Ford Raptor?

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Feeling the car ADD again mcgaskins?:)

I love Raptors, but - my main problem w/ an Ecoboost Raptor at this point is both dealers and owners still asking MSRP or above. Even though these trucks hold their value, it's a lot of coin.

Here's me in retrospect wishing I'd picked up a 11-14 6.2 crew cab when they were new I guess! At least the previous generation has finally come off their crazy overpriced perch - looks like you can find 6.2 crew cabs around $30k now.
 
I drove a 2012 raptor until about 80k+ miles. I got rid of it with a sunroof that wouldn't operate or close properly. It needed all new bushings. It needed the shocks rebuilt for the second time. I already had to replace the full steering rack. The rear end was starting to have issues.
It took bump or railroad crossing at speed as though it was nothing. You could catch air and the passenger never knew you left the ground, but all of the above hassles/quality issues makes me not want another one.
 
Tremek said:
Feeling the car ADD again mcgaskins?:)

I love Raptors, but - my main problem w/ an Ecoboost Raptor at this point is both dealers and owners still asking MSRP or above. Even though these trucks hold their value, it's a lot of coin.

Here's me in retrospect wishing I'd picked up a 11-14 6.2 crew cab when they were new I guess! At least the previous generation has finally come off their crazy overpriced perch - looks like you can find 6.2 crew cabs around $30k now.
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You know me too well! The residual is incredible, but you're right no one (at least in CO) is being reasonable with their asking prices.

TonyP said:
They still want over MSRP? I was shopping for one before I bought my 200 and the average dealer around here wanted between 7500 and 15k over MSRP. One dealer would have sold me one at MSRP but I would have had to wait 6 months for allocation.
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Yep - locally everyone is asking around $10k over MSRP and barely have any inventory.
 
mcgaskins said:
Yep - locally everyone is asking around $10k over MSRP and barely have any inventory.
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Wild. Well here are the guys who said they'll sell at MSRP. They actually gave me a bunch of marketing material before anyone else had it last year. Pretty sure I wasn't suppose to have those docs.

Since they're right down the road, I'll gladly delivery the Raptor to you if you buy one :)

www.edkenleyford.net
 
I've researched all the reviews I could find and I have not found many complaints. I also checked the Raptor forum (always a good place to find real-world info) and have not found any complaints that would steer me away from a Raptor.

In fact, I think Car and Driver just put 16,000 miles on their Raptor and had nearly zero issues (I think a tire was it) so far. 2017 Ford F-150 Raptor Long-Term Test Update | Review | Car and Driver

Are you considering selling the 200?

A Raptor seems like a truly great truck, if you can live with the gas-guzzling and the sheer size of the beast. Other than that, you get great tech, great luxury and basically muscle car performance. Too wide for most of our trails out here though.
 
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mcgaskins said:
Bringing this one back from the dead :D Anyone defect to a new Raptor from the 200? All reviews have been stellar from what I’ve seen.
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You and I have the car itch in common! I test drove a Model X today. Holy cow. It was the 100D and it certainly impressed.
 
Canyonero said:
I've researched all the reviews I could find and I have not found many complaints. I also checked the Raptor forum (always a good place to find real-world info) and have not found any complaints that would steer me away from a Raptor.

Are you considering selling the 200?

A Raptor seems like a truly great truck, if you can live with the gas-guzzling and the sheer size of the beast. Other than that, you get great tech, great luxury and basically muscle car performance. Too wide for most of our trails out here though.
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I did the same research and found glowing reviews too including some videos like these that piqued my interest. The second video was taken where I've spent time wheeling in Socal in a buggy and on a dirt bike, and it was definitely nostalgic. I absolutely love my 200, but I'm always thinking about what's next. I've thought about everything from a G wagon to a Raptor and a whole bunch of stuff in between. I agree the biggest concern I have about the Ford is the sheer size. The 200 is plenty wide for comfort on these trails out here, so I can't imagine what additional width and length would feel like. It makes a ton more sense in open areas like the desert southwest, but it's intriguing from the standpoint of incredible performance mixed with luxury and tech. My wife finds the Raptor abhorrent however (I can't type the words she actually used to describe her feelings about it ;) ), so that could be the deal breaker. I love Toyota, but I equally love ANY brand/model of vehicle that does whatever it's supposed to do extremely well which is why I think the Raptor is so cool and likely feel the same about the new JL Wrangler.



 
Have you considered a sXs? Have you experienced one out here on our Colorado trails? If not, you're coming with me. Just ask @kevinfoutch about it!
 
We've been over this... you can't sell the 200 until I can afford it. That's approximately 3 more years and 50k more miles. Please and thanks! Now back to my regularly scheduled daily Land Rover maintenance.
 
Canyonero said:
You and I have the car itch in common! I test drove a Model X today. Holy cow. It was the 100D and it certainly impressed.
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I think the Raptor is more fuel efficient than a modded 200. Can't be any worse.

I drove a fully loaded Expedition this summer (8 people plus luggage, even 4 piece of luggage on the roof) and averaged 20 mpg doing 90 mph through Montana. That EcoBoost is awesome.
 
Canyonero said:
Have you considered a sXs? Have you experienced one out here on our Colorado trails? If not, you're coming with me. Just ask @kevinfoutch about it!
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I've rented a couple in Moab, and my only 2 complaints were (1) it made the trails like Hells Revenge WAY too easy (2) I didn't like getting so much sand in my teeth and nearly froze when nasty weather rolled in. Otherwise I thought it was awesome and absurdly fun. The other thing I liked about it was that my wife could come along, and she loved driving it. I have a modded CRF250X I take out from time to time, but she obviously can't come along nor does she care to learn.
 
Well, we can't make the trails harder, but we can make it weatherproof! Also, seats 5. A lot cheaper than a Raptor and you won't worry about pin-stripes or other damage. On a trailer, you're looking at 3,000lbs all in. Hell, I had mine on it's side this summer. Flipped it back onto the wheels and off we went. These things will go basically anywhere, especially if you toss a winch on the front. Just sayin'...

all weather.webp
 
Re: trails, it looks like the Raptor is listed at 86.3" wide with the mirrors folded - and the '18 Land Cruiser is listed at 77.95" wide - making the raptor almost 9(!) inches wider than our 200s.

Length is also a consideration - the 2-door Raptor is 25" longer and the crew cab is more than 3 feet longer than the factory 200. It also looks like approach/breakover/departure angles stock-to-stock are similar, naturally the LC has less (stock) ground clearance, but I bet your lifted 200 is probably better in every measure.

I mean, Great National Sand Dunes or something is the perfect environment for the Raptor, but it's not something I would want to crawl our mountain trails and passes with.
 
Isn't barely making over/through an obstacle half the fun of wheeling? It's like using a GameShark on Goldeneye, sure it's fun at first but the enjoyment is in the challenge of going at it regularly.
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Well, like the gas station attendant in Tommy Boy... "looks like you need a new map."

There are plenty of very challenging trails out there, it's just that the SxS walks the trails that challenge a 200. I've been in some sketchy situations in a sxs where it barely made it, got stuck, had to winch, etc. It's a different kind of wheeling. I don't know if one is better than the other, but I've really come to enjoy the sxs experience, both in Moab and here in Colorado.

To me the selling points are:
- Can enjoy high-speed stuff; washboard roads, sand dunes, etc. These things are fast. (Raptor stuff)
- Can enjoy slow, rock crawling situations without worrying about damage. (lockers, winch, etc. make these things capable)
- Mods and repairs are cheaper.
- Cost of ownership is cheaper.
- Don't have to sacrifice daily driving characteristics to have fun off-road.
- Can make them weatherproof, and can even add tracks to them to make them essentially a snowmobile.
- Most places you can off-road, you can bring them.

Downsides:
- Storage (depending on your situation)
- Can't drive them everywhere (but really, anywhere you'd want to wheel, you can drive them)
- Only good for out-and-back trails for the most part. Some trails you get there on a road, drive through and come out on another road.
 
Youd be better off chopping a 200 and making a truck than getting “Raptored” imho.

In the process you could likely drop 1000lbs removing a few rows of seats and body/glass etc and gain an effective 20% hp/ via power to weight ratio! :)

450hp?
 
I cannot get over the sound. I'm sorry.

It looks awesome.....serious props to their design team. But the noise leaves something to be desired. It's like a bodybuilder with a high pitches voice.
 
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