Ram specifically said this will not be a production vehicle. Just a concept.
Any 200 series owners considering a 2017 Ford Raptor?
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Ram specifically said this will not be a production vehicle. Just a concept.
Where did you see that info? Is it current? I received a promotional email from them today linking to it. Seems as though they're very aggressively gauging interest.
Thanks for posting this up! I wonder how it would be on an extended LC chassis. I like the idea, toyota needs to offer an offroad van and beef its chassis up like the LC. I don't know if vehicle height would be an issue. But it would be nice to have larger interior.
FCA quality leaves a lot to be desired
Yeah, they're checking interest levels, but they haven't released any plans I've seen to actually produce anything more than the concept. See 8:30 in this video
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That TRX is interesting, but as others have echoed, FCA quality is a giant question-mark. Based on all the studies out there, Ford's quality seems to be good overall but hit or miss. Obviously, anything that is not a Lexus or Toyota will be more of a question mark (not just my opinion, this is well established objective data.)
I just read a Car and Driver test of the 2017 Raptor and it definitely sounds like a true bad-ass of a truck... except for the transmission. Kind of a big deal in my view. Why 10 speeds and a 3.5 V6 turbo when you still get 12mpg? Are you telling me a V8 and a 6 speed transmission wouldn't be able to pull 12mpg?! The Raptor weighs less than my V8, 6 speed LC, and I get 13-14 in that truck.
But as others have said, buy it (or lease it) for 3 years and then get rid of it so that any issues result in dropping it off at the dealership (and getting a loaner Ford Focus, like a boss.)
Car and Driver:
"While the 10-speed usually toils away smoothly to keep the turbocharged V-6 on boil, during our off-road excursions it frequently slurred shifts as if it were a CVT. Sport mode was our preferred setting on the street because it firmed and hastened gearchanges and minimized the initial lag from the engine. While throttle response is excellent in Baja and Sport modes, the 10-speed sometimes can be reluctant to upshift and stumble for gears when pressed with rapid throttle inputs. You can’t miss the massive paddle shifters behind the steering wheel, but they simply aren’t responsive enough to help with managing all those ratios yourself."
I just read a Car and Driver test of the 2017 Raptor and it definitely sounds like a true bad-ass of a truck... except for the transmission. Kind of a big deal in my view. Why 10 speeds and a 3.5 V6 turbo when you still get 12mpg? Are you telling me a V8 and a 6 speed transmission wouldn't be able to pull 12mpg?! The Raptor weighs less than my V8, 6 speed LC, and I get 13-14 in that truck.
But as others have said, buy it (or lease it) for 3 years and then get rid of it so that any issues result in dropping it off at the dealership (and getting a loaner Ford Focus, like a boss.)
Car and Driver:
"While the 10-speed usually toils away smoothly to keep the turbocharged V-6 on boil, during our off-road excursions it frequently slurred shifts as if it were a CVT. Sport mode was our preferred setting on the street because it firmed and hastened gearchanges and minimized the initial lag from the engine. While throttle response is excellent in Baja and Sport modes, the 10-speed sometimes can be reluctant to upshift and stumble for gears when pressed with rapid throttle inputs. You can’t miss the massive paddle shifters behind the steering wheel, but they simply aren’t responsive enough to help with managing all those ratios yourself."
Lol please. More American junk.
No winch and, more importantly, no trailer hitch ... definitely a niche market only vehicle.
The only truck I know of that has 10 gears?
-My uncle's massive AIRPORT REFUELING/DEFUELING TRUCK(!)
that carries 2000 gallons and has gears lower than crawl.
Seems nuts to have 10 with paddle shifters.
-Carpal tunnel syndrome due to paddle up/down shifting! lol.
Why not just have a 4Hi & 4Lo?
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Just closing out this thread by mentioning I test drive a few trucks and even borrowed a 2017 Tacoma for a few days, and ultimately decided the Tacoma is the truck for me.
I put a deposit on a 2017 TRD PRO Tacoma in cement (matte gray/blue) color. I should have it in a month or so.
Ultimately I found that the size, price, efficiency, capability and look of the Tacoma were the best for me.
Now I just have to figure out whether to keep the sports car or sell it. First world problems.
I appreciate the feedback of everyone on this thread, thanks!
I put a deposit on a 2017 TRD PRO Tacoma in cement (matte gray/blue) color. I should have it in a month or so.
Ultimately I found that the size, price, efficiency, capability and look of the Tacoma were the best for me.
Now I just have to figure out whether to keep the sports car or sell it. First world problems.
I appreciate the feedback of everyone on this thread, thanks!
Congrats
Another Cement Pro owner in the mix. Mine is the 6MT Pro and I love it. Traded our 16 OR 6MT for it. I miss the Jbl and moonroof from the 16 model, but the exclusivity of the Cement makes up for the lack of those creature comforts
I got rid of the ugly Pro oem wheels and added the gorgeous 4Runner Pro Oem wheels
Keep the sports car. Having sports cars in my garage allow me to to tolerate LC and Tacos at times. Having different tools is what makes living in the first world fun
P.S. Keep an eye on the headlights. I posted on Tacoma world about leaks on mine. Seems like few others have been having same problem. Mine going in next week for brand new headlights
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Glad you're happy with your choice but after driving a 3rd gen earlier this year (how are we still only on a 3rd generation of Tacomas?!) I find the Tacoma line hugely disappointing and hopelessly conservative. The powertrain options (or lack thereof - where's a v8, turbocharged v6, or even a diesel) and the fact Toyota only updates the truck once a decade hurts a lot. Brand loyalty might work for some folks but Toyota's inability to innovate is trending dangerously close to the Hondas, Mitsubishis, and Nissans of the world. I wouldn't buy any new car any of those 4 make currently due to this.
Substantive edit: if I was looking seriously at a mid-size I'd be looking at a Chevy Colorado ZR2 which will be available shortly. Very innovative shock technology, factory front and rear lockers, and an optional 2.8 TD. Check out an overview here, I suspect we will see many of these on trails for years to come. Doesn't hurt either that the Colorado has beat the 3rd gen Taco in a number of comparison tests already even before the ZR2 package.
Substantive edit: if I was looking seriously at a mid-size I'd be looking at a Chevy Colorado ZR2 which will be available shortly. Very innovative shock technology, factory front and rear lockers, and an optional 2.8 TD. Check out an overview here, I suspect we will see many of these on trails for years to come. Doesn't hurt either that the Colorado has beat the 3rd gen Taco in a number of comparison tests already even before the ZR2 package.
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Congrats on the taco. I must say I've been lustfully eye balling those on the road. Nice selection
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GM quality is a non-starter for me. I didn't even look at the Chevy/GMC twins.
Toyota may not seem to innovate, but that means I know - for a fact - that the truck I get will be bomb-proof. This is where Toyota loyalty comes from. I'm loyal to competence, even if it's Japanese!
GM's current/modern quality is better than you might realize. Also keep in mind the 3rd gen Tacoma seems to be suffering from driveline vibration problems bad enough that numerous owners are pursuing buybacks.
Combined with looking at the quality control issues that '16 Land Cruiser owners are facing, I suspect Toyota's continuing to experience a slide that will take a few years for the market to truly reflect, but one that's been noticed by critics for the past 15 years or so. Again, I dig quality as much as the next person - which was the overriding reason I bought our 200 - but the reports on the 16s/17s aren't supporting your bomb-proof desire at all.
Combined with looking at the quality control issues that '16 Land Cruiser owners are facing, I suspect Toyota's continuing to experience a slide that will take a few years for the market to truly reflect, but one that's been noticed by critics for the past 15 years or so. Again, I dig quality as much as the next person - which was the overriding reason I bought our 200 - but the reports on the 16s/17s aren't supporting your bomb-proof desire at all.
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The nice thing about the internet is there is a forum for every vehicle. I spent a good deal of time researching the various truck forums and concluded that overwhelmingly the owners of Tacos have problems few and far between.
Toyota is certainly not infallible (as the 2016/17 Land Cruiser proves), but their quality is still not even close to being rivaled by GM. This is objectively verifiable data.
Toyota is certainly not infallible (as the 2016/17 Land Cruiser proves), but their quality is still not even close to being rivaled by GM. This is objectively verifiable data.
You're right about data - what's wrong is your assertion.
Check out GMC as the 4th ranked manufacturer right behind the Toyota trio.
GM trucks have been doing the right thing since the introduction of the GMT800 chassis. GM cars are far more varied - Cadillac is generally building very reliable cars since the late 2000s, but I wouldn't recommend a Malibu to anyone - but the point stands re: your bias not standing up in the face of data.
Read this blurb by the guys who are doing the LTQI site, it's an interesting approach. PS, fun to see what set the curve!
Check out GMC as the 4th ranked manufacturer right behind the Toyota trio.
GM trucks have been doing the right thing since the introduction of the GMT800 chassis. GM cars are far more varied - Cadillac is generally building very reliable cars since the late 2000s, but I wouldn't recommend a Malibu to anyone - but the point stands re: your bias not standing up in the face of data.
Read this blurb by the guys who are doing the LTQI site, it's an interesting approach. PS, fun to see what set the curve!
Rear suspension on Chevy Colorado ZR2:
Rear suspension on Toyota Tacoma Pro:
I'll take the Toyota.
Yes, right behind as in ranked ahead of every other manufacturer or brand plate. Isolate the full size trucks out of GMC and the gap is much closer - click into the data.
Here's the full size trucks with the GMC Sierra 3 points behind the Tundra, and the Silverado 6 points behind. The new gen Colorado doesn't have any data in this dataset. The GMC brand gets dragged down by crapboxes like the Terrain, which have nothing to do with their truck line, and the Acadia, which I have to think by volume sees more trade-ins than anything other than the full size trucks, thus affecting the data.
The Tacoma comes in at a highly respectable 82, but I'd bet money this trends downward over the next 5 years as the post-2010 trucks start showing up in the data.
Chocolate: elaborate? Those two pics don't indicate anything to me.
Here's the full size trucks with the GMC Sierra 3 points behind the Tundra, and the Silverado 6 points behind. The new gen Colorado doesn't have any data in this dataset. The GMC brand gets dragged down by crapboxes like the Terrain, which have nothing to do with their truck line, and the Acadia, which I have to think by volume sees more trade-ins than anything other than the full size trucks, thus affecting the data.
The Tacoma comes in at a highly respectable 82, but I'd bet money this trends downward over the next 5 years as the post-2010 trucks start showing up in the data.
Chocolate: elaborate? Those two pics don't indicate anything to me.