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Maybe I miss something in my reading .. you have a complete H55F tranny and t'case but don't the right bellhousing to match with the 1HZ ...
Bu post ago you show a H150 tranny .. you don't want to use the H150 .?
Bu post ago you show a H150 tranny .. you don't want to use the H150 .?
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David,
The answer is I can use the H150 but it is three inches too long. If I were to use it I would have to cut and reolocate the crossmember as well as probably have to move the rear axle back 4-5 inches so as not to have a really short rear drive shaft. Of course I would also probably have to move the gas tank, and other stuff. Way more modification than was ever in the planned swap of the engine and transmission. The idea is that if I can get the right bell housing for the H55 then I can get my hands on one of those easily here and we are back in business with accomplishing the goals of the mod, bigger, better, more efficient engine, in current production, with spare parts for years and a five speed for better highway performance.
John
My 2 cents: Cut the crossmember, cut the driveline. It will be short and you will definetly have to put shims on the rear to make the angle as shallow as possible. I have a 1FZ-F with a R151F transmission (the manual 5 sp that comes on 70 series)on a 68 FJ40 and have had no issues with the driveline after placing 1/4 inch shims (tall part facing forward). You can also gain about an inch moving the engine forward that amount and using an electric fan. As for the shifter, it does come a little to the back but that can be solved by bending it.
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Update:
Per Michael, West Coast doesn't have the 1HZ/H55 bell housing in stock but he will call around and see if he can scare one up. I'm still waiting to hear from G & S.
Because I always need to know just how bad, bad really is, I pulled the part number for the bell housing and I'm going to stop by the dealership tommorow and see how much they want for it and how long they will have to wait for it to ship here. My view when trying to decide between several options there is no such thing as too much information re: what is involved with each option.
Again any ideas where I could source one of these would be appreciated.
Thanks,
'John
Per Michael, West Coast doesn't have the 1HZ/H55 bell housing in stock but he will call around and see if he can scare one up. I'm still waiting to hear from G & S.
Because I always need to know just how bad, bad really is, I pulled the part number for the bell housing and I'm going to stop by the dealership tommorow and see how much they want for it and how long they will have to wait for it to ship here. My view when trying to decide between several options there is no such thing as too much information re: what is involved with each option.
Again any ideas where I could source one of these would be appreciated.
Thanks,
'John
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Well just heard from Sheldon at G&S, no bellhousing for the 1HZ/H55 combo. He suggests a wrecker in Aus. Any of you guys have any ideas of a good one there who might have what I'm looking for? Since this combo shipped (I think) to Canada from the factory anyone in Canada (apart from Michael and Sheldon) got any ideas where I can source one?
Thanks,
John
Thanks,
John
Gday John,
if there is anything I can do from this end, let me know.
If I can't get parts through my usual sources- ie Matt Mcinnes mini wreckers
- then I try Halls 4x4.
I am sure there are other wreckers available, so maybe some of the Aus members who are more clued up than me could post some up.
I am happy to give them a call tomorrow and ask them if they have what you need- or if they know where would be the best place to keep looking. Though I am pretty busy right now, if we can find it for you in Melbourne I'd be happy to do whatever is required from this end, picking it up, packing, sending, etc.
So, correct me if I am wrong (John or anyone else who is sure) before I head off to work in 9 hours:
You have a 1HZ, 21 spline output. You need a bellhousing (10 bolt) to fit a H55f transmission?
What are some of the particular models that this would be coming out of?
Thanks,
good luck John,
I'll check in here before I leave for work.
Hans.
if there is anything I can do from this end, let me know.
If I can't get parts through my usual sources- ie Matt Mcinnes mini wreckers
- then I try Halls 4x4. I am sure there are other wreckers available, so maybe some of the Aus members who are more clued up than me could post some up.
I am happy to give them a call tomorrow and ask them if they have what you need- or if they know where would be the best place to keep looking. Though I am pretty busy right now, if we can find it for you in Melbourne I'd be happy to do whatever is required from this end, picking it up, packing, sending, etc.
So, correct me if I am wrong (John or anyone else who is sure) before I head off to work in 9 hours:
You have a 1HZ, 21 spline output. You need a bellhousing (10 bolt) to fit a H55f transmission?
What are some of the particular models that this would be coming out of?
Thanks,
good luck John,
I'll check in here before I leave for work.
Hans.
At least here in Panamá HZJ70 with the 1HZ and H55F combo ..
The guy at Halls doesn't understand 'H55f'...
what he does have are bellhousings from HZJ75's- year models between 91-99. Anyone know if these came with H55F's?
Cheers,
gotta run to work.
what he does have are bellhousings from HZJ75's- year models between 91-99. Anyone know if these came with H55F's?
Cheers,
gotta run to work.
Do these help?
The first printout is just the manual transmission case for an HZJ75 which shows that the same case went into quite a few cruisers
The second is the entire manual transmission assembly for an HZJ75
The third is the bellhousing for an HZJ75
The EPC doesn't identify an H55 transmission as such.
The first printout is just the manual transmission case for an HZJ75 which shows that the same case went into quite a few cruisers
The second is the entire manual transmission assembly for an HZJ75
The third is the bellhousing for an HZJ75
The EPC doesn't identify an H55 transmission as such.
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33-02: CLUTCH HOUSING & TRANSMISSION CASE (MTM)
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('9001-'9908)HZJ7*..MTM — H55
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33112BGASKET, TRANSFER ADAPTER33142‑60020HZJ7*..MTM1$7.5833112CPIN, STRAIGHT (FOR TRANSFER ADAPTER)90250‑12216HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U; L=14, OD=122$2.6933112DSEAL, OIL (FOR TRANSFER ADAPTER)90312‑17001HZJ7*..MTM1$3.1933118PLATE, STIFFENER, RH (MTM)33118‑60030HZJ7*..MTM1$106.3633118‑60060HZJ7*..MTM1$123.0733119PLATE, STIFFENER, LH (MTM)33119‑60031HZJ7*..MTM1$87.4533119‑60070HZJ7*..MTM1$87.4533131RETAINER, BEARING, FRONT (MTM)33131‑60040HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U1$130.6933131ASEAL, OIL (FOR TRANSMISSION FRONT BEARING RETAINER)90311‑32013HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U1$9.7333132GASKET, FRONT BEARING RETAINER (MTM)33132‑60020HZJ7*..MTM1$3.3133151RETAINER, OUTPUT SHAFT REAR BEARING (MTM)33151‑60010HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U1
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In case the diagram didn't copy over well here is the link to it directly:
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_2000_TOYOTA_LAND+CRUISER_HZJ77HV-MNU_3302.html
This what I am taking over to the dealership tomorrow. I know that they are going to scare the pants off me with some crazy price but it will be good to know just the same. Guys thanks so much. If you guys can locate it, the Clutch Housing p/n 31111-60230.; Per the parts guide it was on HZJ70, 73, 75, and 77. For the parts guide I used an HZJ 77 from 2000 in order to pull up the diagram.
Hans you are right. I have a 1HZ engine which will bolt up to an H55, 5 speed manual transmission (for the semi-clueless parts guy) which uses a 21 spline input shaft. The housing has a ten bolt pattern.
Thanks a million guys, nothing like MUD,
John
Search parts:
('9001-'9908)HZJ7*..MTM — H55
31111HOUSING, CLUTCH31111‑60230HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U1
31121COVER, CLUTCH HOUSING, NO.131121‑26020HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U; LH1$11.2131121‑60040HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U; RH1$14.3333101APLUG (FOR MANUAL TRANSMISSION FILLER)90341‑18006HZJ7*, KZJ7*, PZJ7*..MTM; L=11, OD=24.51$4.4533101CGASKET (FOR MANUAL TRANSMISSION FILLER PLUG)90430‑18008HZJ7*, KZJ7*, PZJ7*..MTM; T=21$1.4733104PLUG SUB-ASSY, DRAIN (MTM)90341‑18057HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U1$10.8133104AGASKET, DRAIN PLUG (MTM)90430‑18008HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U; T=21$1.4733111CASE, MANUAL TRANSMISSION33111‑60080HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U1$817.7933111JPIN, STRAIGHT (FOR MANUAL TRANSMISSION CASE)90250‑10214HZJ7*..MTM; L=14, OD=101$1.9090250‑12146HZJ7*..MTM; L=17, OD=122$1.8490250‑12216HZJ7*..MTM; L=14, OD=121$2.6933112AADAPTER, TRANSFER36117‑60021HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U1
33112BGASKET, TRANSFER ADAPTER33142‑60020HZJ7*..MTM1$7.5833112CPIN, STRAIGHT (FOR TRANSFER ADAPTER)90250‑12216HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U; L=14, OD=122$2.6933112DSEAL, OIL (FOR TRANSFER ADAPTER)90312‑17001HZJ7*..MTM1$3.1933118PLATE, STIFFENER, RH (MTM)33118‑60030HZJ7*..MTM1$106.3633118‑60060HZJ7*..MTM1$123.0733119PLATE, STIFFENER, LH (MTM)33119‑60031HZJ7*..MTM1$87.4533119‑60070HZJ7*..MTM1$87.4533131RETAINER, BEARING, FRONT (MTM)33131‑60040HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U1$130.6933131ASEAL, OIL (FOR TRANSMISSION FRONT BEARING RETAINER)90311‑32013HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U1$9.7333132GASKET, FRONT BEARING RETAINER (MTM)33132‑60020HZJ7*..MTM1$3.3133151RETAINER, OUTPUT SHAFT REAR BEARING (MTM)33151‑60010HZJ73..MTM..1NO; HZJ73..MTM..LX..U; HZJ70, 75, 77..MTM..U1
90119‑08332*** STD. PART
$1.3391611‑60825*** STD. PART
$1.1791619‑61235*** STD. PART
$2.6391619‑61245*** STD. PART
$2.6392136‑61245*** STD. PART
$3.88
EDIT:
In case the diagram didn't copy over well here is the link to it directly:
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_2000_TOYOTA_LAND+CRUISER_HZJ77HV-MNU_3302.html
This what I am taking over to the dealership tomorrow. I know that they are going to scare the pants off me with some crazy price but it will be good to know just the same. Guys thanks so much. If you guys can locate it, the Clutch Housing p/n 31111-60230.; Per the parts guide it was on HZJ70, 73, 75, and 77. For the parts guide I used an HZJ 77 from 2000 in order to pull up the diagram.
Hans you are right. I have a 1HZ engine which will bolt up to an H55, 5 speed manual transmission (for the semi-clueless parts guy) which uses a 21 spline input shaft. The housing has a ten bolt pattern.
Thanks a million guys, nothing like MUD,
John
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John,
see how you go with the dealership quote- then if it is as high as you fear, let me know if you want me to, and I will go out and see what Halls have.
I have a friend with a H55 (for a 3B) in his garage that I could drop past (gotta drop some tools off to him anyway) and make a stencil-template from where it bolts onto the bellhousing (assuming they have the same bolt pattern) and compare it to the bellhousings Halls have to make sure it came from a rig with a H55.
Probably the only day I could get out there next week would be monday- I have that day off but will be flat out the rest of the week and following weekend.
Only concern of mine would be being able to be sure that it was the right part.
Good luck.
see how you go with the dealership quote- then if it is as high as you fear, let me know if you want me to, and I will go out and see what Halls have.
I have a friend with a H55 (for a 3B) in his garage that I could drop past (gotta drop some tools off to him anyway) and make a stencil-template from where it bolts onto the bellhousing (assuming they have the same bolt pattern) and compare it to the bellhousings Halls have to make sure it came from a rig with a H55.
Probably the only day I could get out there next week would be monday- I have that day off but will be flat out the rest of the week and following weekend.
Only concern of mine would be being able to be sure that it was the right part.
Good luck.
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Hans,
Will do and advise this afternoon. BTW, tried to check Halls website but couldn't get either the new or used parts lists to open up.
Thanks again,
John
Will do and advise this afternoon. BTW, tried to check Halls website but couldn't get either the new or used parts lists to open up.
Thanks again,
John
How'd it go John?
I was surprised that Halls even had a website
they are more of a big shed out in the burbs, with parts sold out the front, and a stream of containers heading out the back full of 40's and bits and pieces for the US- rather than a slick online business. It seems the website is still in construction.
I dropped by my friends house, planning to take a template of the front of his H55, but he has sent it off for a rebuild so that he can install it. Doh!
It was his opinion that the HZJ75 bellhousing we are talking of should be what you need... that the H55 was pretty much standard for them...
nonetheless, we really need to find some way to figure it out.
Any ideas anyone? Anyone know any Aussie diesel gurus who would be worth contacting and asking?
I am more than happy to do the legwork going out and grabbing it and sending it off, but I am not sure how to make certain it is the right part- and I would hate to be responsible for wasting John's time and money if it is not the right part.
I'll give Halls a call again tomorrow from work and hope that there is someone more knowledgeable available- also will grab a price.
(... maybe if they have a h55 in stock- possibly unlikely as they are pretty hot property now- then they might be convinced to line one up to one of the HZJ75 bellhousings and see if it is right... either way I will try to get a bit more from them on the phone)
Hans.
I was surprised that Halls even had a website
they are more of a big shed out in the burbs, with parts sold out the front, and a stream of containers heading out the back full of 40's and bits and pieces for the US- rather than a slick online business. It seems the website is still in construction.I dropped by my friends house, planning to take a template of the front of his H55, but he has sent it off for a rebuild so that he can install it. Doh!
It was his opinion that the HZJ75 bellhousing we are talking of should be what you need... that the H55 was pretty much standard for them...
nonetheless, we really need to find some way to figure it out.
Any ideas anyone? Anyone know any Aussie diesel gurus who would be worth contacting and asking?
I am more than happy to do the legwork going out and grabbing it and sending it off, but I am not sure how to make certain it is the right part- and I would hate to be responsible for wasting John's time and money if it is not the right part.
I'll give Halls a call again tomorrow from work and hope that there is someone more knowledgeable available- also will grab a price.
(... maybe if they have a h55 in stock- possibly unlikely as they are pretty hot property now- then they might be convinced to line one up to one of the HZJ75 bellhousings and see if it is right... either way I will try to get a bit more from them on the phone)
Hans.
OEM Catalog
Item Number Core Price Price
3111160230 $0.00 $487.94
HOUSING, CLUTCH
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I'm not really sure if thats
or 
to you. To me, everything over $20 is 
Hi John/Hans
I stress that I know very little about these conversions.
But I suspect you may/could need a specific input shaft in the H55 transmission to match the 1HZ (as well as having the right bellhousing).
Does this post support this suspicion?:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-jdm-parts/153081-1hz-h55f-bellhousing.html
Edit: And that could explain the larger number of vehicle models using the "H55 casing" compared to those using the "1HZ-compatible H55 transmission as a whole" in #311 (assuming those numbers do represent the H55 transmission - which I'm not sure of at this stage).
Cheers
Tom
I stress that I know very little about these conversions.
But I suspect you may/could need a specific input shaft in the H55 transmission to match the 1HZ (as well as having the right bellhousing).
Does this post support this suspicion?:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-jdm-parts/153081-1hz-h55f-bellhousing.html
Edit: And that could explain the larger number of vehicle models using the "H55 casing" compared to those using the "1HZ-compatible H55 transmission as a whole" in #311 (assuming those numbers do represent the H55 transmission - which I'm not sure of at this stage).
Cheers
Tom
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How'd it go John?
I was surprised that Halls even had a website
I dropped by my friends house, planning to take a template of the front of his H55, but he has sent it off for a rebuild so that he can install it. Doh!
It was his opinion that the HZJ75 bellhousing we are talking of should be what you need... that the H55 was pretty much standard for them...
nonetheless, we really need to find some way to figure it out.
Any ideas anyone? Anyone know any Aussie diesel gurus who would be worth contacting and asking?
I am more than happy to do the legwork going out and grabbing it and sending it off, but I am not sure how to make certain it is the right part- and I would hate to be responsible for wasting John's time and money if it is not the right part.
I'll give Halls a call again tomorrow from work and hope that there is someone more knowledgeable available- also will grab a price.
(... maybe if they have a h55 in stock- possibly unlikely as they are pretty hot property now- then they might be convinced to line one up to one of the HZJ75 bellhousings and see if it is right... either way I will try to get a bit more from them on the phone)
Hans.
Hans,
You are great. Thanks again for being willing to give me such a big hand on this. I went to the dealership today, hadn't been there in a few months. What a relief it was when my usual parts guy looked up while he was on the phone and without missing a beat, shook my hand and extended his palm, knowing that I was about to open up my folder and hand him a schematic. as soon as he hung up, he came from around behind the counter and gave me a big hug, wanted to know where I had been.
After the pleasantries I gathered the following information:
1) p/n 31111-60230 the 1HZ/H55 bell housing and the component bits were standard items from 1993 -2000
2) these parts can be found on HJ75 - HJ78. Your buddy was spot on as is my parts guy as the 1HZ came off an 2000 HJ78 Japanese ambulance.
3)The cost here new, without tax, would be $440.00 USD
4) they don't have one in stock and it will take a month to order one from Japan.
5) He did not leave me high and dry. He called a guy from fleet sales to confirm that this combo, 1HZ/H55, exists in this country on the ambulances of the Red Cross and some of the vehicles from some of the government ministries. They are going to check fleet sales records to see if any of the above institutions have taken delivery of fleet replacement vehicles. If yes they MAY be able to convince a fleet manager to sell me a bell housing used on a rig that they are otherwise using as a parts donor vehicle. They hope to be able to tell me more tomorrow afternoon.
OEM Catalog
Item Number Core Price Price
3111160230 $0.00 $487.94
HOUSING, CLUTCH
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I'm not really sure if thats
Drew,
When Fernando, my parts guy saw the price on the screen, even he winced before telling me. He said because of that price no one has ever ordered one before. I almost fell out myself. He obviously could see the look of impending defeat on my face and conjured up Plan B discussed above.
Tom,
Thanks. I found that thread and contacted Louis already, he no longer has any of that stuff and won't be getting anything similar for at least another month.
Regarding the input shaft, the good news is that I absolutely do not have to guess, I have the engine and a mated input shaft right in front of me. The 1HZ takes a 21 spline, fine spline input shaft. The bellhousing has a 10 bolt pattern. Fernando, the resourceful guy that he is, already checked the Dyna truck and Coaster bus inventory. The 1HZ bellhousings used in the busses and trucks are 9 bolt pattern, a different p/n.
Hans, Tom and Drew<
Thanks for looking out and giving me hand like this. You guys are ther reason why Mud is so good.
John
there is no big deal really since the old H55F are 19 splines input shaft IIRC and newwers with 1HZ are 21 splines at the input shart ..
But both discs share the same 275mm diameter ..
But both discs share the same 275mm diameter ..
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David,
I'm not even close to being an expert on this so I am going to break it down and say it so even I can make sure that I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that if I had to I could slide a 19 spline H55 input shaft through the clutch cover, clutch disc and into the 21 spline bearing on the 1HZ, that is bolt them up and run them no problem?
Thanks,
John