Thanks. According to the part numbers, the 2016+ 200 uses a 354mm front rotor versus a 340mm unit on prior years. The caliper is also a different part number. My concern is that the wheel will fit, but perhaps not with a wheel weight. I'm not eager to roll the dice on an $1,800 set of wheels that take six weeks to receive.
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Thanks. According to the part numbers, the 2016+ 200 uses a 354mm front rotor versus a 340mm unit on prior years. The caliper is also a different part number. My concern is that the wheel will fit, but perhaps not with a wheel weight. I'm not eager to roll the dice on an $1,800 set of wheels that take six weeks to receive.
Any idea what the Load Limit is for those wheels? I can't find it anywhere on their site.
TIA
I'm confused by the two different centerbores in the pictures on their site.
Grey appears to have the 110mm centerbore:
But the white appears to have a 150mm centerbore:
Our stock wheels are a 110mm centerbore - hubcentric. But the specs for those wheels says the centerbore is 150mm
Do you know what the facts are for the 5x150 17x8 wheels for the LC200?
@gaijin Good questions and any answers I might offer at this point are speculative. One such is that photos often do not conform to product (as in centerbore). I have a call scheduled with the vendor (MLO) this afternoon, will ask for more detail.
Thanks again for the help.
I order the Fuel Trophy rims and the P285/60/18 Open country AT IIs this morning. By my math they are highly likely to rub but by your pic's of the Fuel 20+ 18x9 rims maybe I missed something, I am crossing my fingers a bit that if they don't rub, If they do I hope that I can trim the fender liner a bit to correct, or that it won't be noticeable enough to worry about. Seems a lot of guys are going with this similar 18x9 20+ offset.
I will post some pic's once I have them on the Cruiser .
Sounds like a plan - thanks!
I'd hate to see any replacement wheel move away from hubcentric to lugcentric.
See if you can find out the Load Rating for those wheels while you've got them on the phone.
TIA
Question on hub centric.
The wheels I ordered were said to be 0.3? I am assuming they were refereeing to CM not mm larger then the hub that the hub was 10 and the rim was 10.3, that seemed reasonable that it had to be slightly larger then the hub or it would not go on. Would you all agree that should mean these Fuel wheels are or would be considered hub centric wheels?
The wheels I ordered were said to be 0.3? I am assuming they were refereeing to CM not mm larger then the hub that the hub was 10 and the rim was 10.3, that seemed reasonable that it had to be slightly larger then the hub or it would not go on. Would you all agree that should mean these Fuel wheels are or would be considered hub centric wheels?
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm just trying to fill in the blanks ...
I assume you're talking about the Fuel One-Piece Trophy - D551 wheels 18x9, 5x150, Part Number D55118905657 with a Load Rating of only 2500 pounds. (Trophy - D551 - Fuel Off-Road Wheels)
The specs for that wheel show a centerbore of 110.3mm which sounds about right for a hubcentric wheel.
HTH
That's it. I must have miss understood the guy when he was saying 10 and 10.3 He must have said 110 and 110.3 making MM make sense. I was writing stuff down as we were talking and afterword's I knew 10mm could not have been right.
Good deal. Thanks
Evo Corse Dakar
@gaijin -
Good chat with Mat and Peter Henwood, two of the owners of Main Line Overland, www.mainlineoverland.com. The firm is US distributor for Evo wheels. Call could not have gone better.
- They have had a number of successful installs based upon a close working relationship with the factory in Italy (near Venice) - Tacomas, FJCs, 100 Series, etc.
- They have test wheels being fit to 200s and Tundras to insure clearance, backspacing, lug pattern and hub placement.
- Yes, the Evos are hubcentric
- Rated capacity is 1,500 kg / wheel
- The wheels can be had "raw" if you want to paint or powdercoat in a color other than standard offerings
- If you go with standard colors, the "Evo Corse Fondmetal" script can easily be removed - it is a vinyl applique
- I ordered a set for our shop truck - first gen Tacoma - 17x8" - will use standard "Gorilla acorn" lug nuts
- The 200 / Tundra wheels will not be fully described on MLO or Evo websites until they are done with fine tuning and development, but the are/will be an option for these Series
They are also distributors for Norweld trays and canopies as below....makes me want to buy a new Tacoma and rip the box off
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Evo Corse Dakar
@gaijin -
Good chat with Mat and Peter Henwood, two of the owners of Main Line Overland, www.mainlineoverland.com. The firm is US distributor for Evo wheels. Call could not have gone better.
These are good guys doing good work. They understand what it takes to meet the needs of technically demanding (or technically challenged) customers and I don't think you will be disappointed if you pursue them as an option for wheels, accessories or vehicle service / repair.
- They have had a number of successful installs based upon a close working relationship with the factory in Italy (near Venice) - Tacomas, FJCs, 100 Series, etc.
- They have test wheels being fit to 200s and Tundras to insure clearance, backspacing, lug pattern and hub placement.
- Yes, the Evos are hubcentric
- Rated capacity is 1,500 kg / wheel
- The wheels can be had "raw" if you want to paint or powdercoat in a color other than standard offerings
- If you go with standard colors, the "Evo Corse Fondmetal" script can easily be removed - it is a vinyl applique
- I ordered a set for our shop truck - first gen Tacoma - 17'x8" - will use standard "Gorilla acorn" lug nuts
- The 200 / Tundra wheels will not be fully described on MLO or Evo websites until they are done with fine tuning and development, but the are/will be an option for these Series
They are also distributors for Norweld trays and canopies as below....makes me want to buy a new Tacoma and rip the box off
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Great info, thank you very much for the detailed follow-up!
Major points that stand out for me:
- Hubcentric
- Load Rating of 1500 kg / 3300 lb per wheel. This is very good news and should be specifically noted by those who are contemplating installing wheels with only a 2500 lb Load Rating that do not even meet OEM standards.
- Evo Corse script is only a vinyl applique and easily removable. As much as I respect the engineering and quality of these wheels, I could not get past having script like that on my wheels.
Thanks again.
I saw where in one of your post the other day you had mentioning the 2515 lb OE Wheel rating.
It never really made much sense to me why anyone would be concerned about such a minor difference.
I certainly wasn't sweating the 2500 rating that the wheels I just bought had, since there is only 1/2 of 1% 0.006 difference between 2500 lb rated wheel vs 2515. I have been trying to contemplate just what sort of real world circumstance could there possibly be , that could cause a 2500 pound rated wheel to fail that would not also cause an OE 2515 pound rated wheel fail given that same real world circumstance.
I was also thinking it could be entirely possible, not really sure, but the aftermarket could just be using a rounded off numbers where Toyota is using a very precise number .
It never really made much sense to me why anyone would be concerned about such a minor difference.
I certainly wasn't sweating the 2500 rating that the wheels I just bought had, since there is only 1/2 of 1% 0.006 difference between 2500 lb rated wheel vs 2515. I have been trying to contemplate just what sort of real world circumstance could there possibly be , that could cause a 2500 pound rated wheel to fail that would not also cause an OE 2515 pound rated wheel fail given that same real world circumstance.
I was also thinking it could be entirely possible, not really sure, but the aftermarket could just be using a rounded off numbers where Toyota is using a very precise number .
OEM WHEEL SPECS
I wouldn't sweat a 15 lb difference between aftermarket and OEM specs, but 785 lbs per wheel between Evo and OEM is a potentially big deal - an advantage for the aftermarket product.
Much of the dither (mine included) over wheel selection has to do with style and tire size support / fit. It bears remembering that any of the moving parts can be over loaded and over driven.
The way expedition rigs get built and used, the WHAT (components and vehicle weight/balance), HOW (road use, trail, off trail), WHO (driver skill, experience, aggressiveness) variables can combine to make life hard on all the bits - wheels, tires, suspensions and brakes. We have seen significant benefits for expo rigs (as well as daily drivers) through the HP brake rotors/pads from Terrain Tamer. Same goes for properly sized and maintained lift kits.
Terrain Tamer serves the armored vehicle / security market with upgraded components - but not wheels - so it was exciting to think that there might be another option for executive protection and similar "heavy" vehicles with added margin for safety - wheels rated for over 13,000 lbs GVW.
Our mil spec brochure is attached.
I wouldn't sweat a 15 lb difference between aftermarket and OEM specs, but 785 lbs per wheel between Evo and OEM is a potentially big deal - an advantage for the aftermarket product.
Much of the dither (mine included) over wheel selection has to do with style and tire size support / fit. It bears remembering that any of the moving parts can be over loaded and over driven.
The way expedition rigs get built and used, the WHAT (components and vehicle weight/balance), HOW (road use, trail, off trail), WHO (driver skill, experience, aggressiveness) variables can combine to make life hard on all the bits - wheels, tires, suspensions and brakes. We have seen significant benefits for expo rigs (as well as daily drivers) through the HP brake rotors/pads from Terrain Tamer. Same goes for properly sized and maintained lift kits.
Terrain Tamer serves the armored vehicle / security market with upgraded components - but not wheels - so it was exciting to think that there might be another option for executive protection and similar "heavy" vehicles with added margin for safety - wheels rated for over 13,000 lbs GVW.
Our mil spec brochure is attached.
Yesterday I received a call from one of the engineers at Hutchinson, who gave me the dimensions I needed. The narrowest diameter of the inner barrel is 415.3 mm, and that begins 25 mm from the hub, inset toward the axle. The radius from the center of the hub to the farthest part of the caliper is 209 mm, and I'd like another few millimeters for wheel weight clearance. These aren't gonna work on a MY16+.
Know there has been some chatter on it, but has anyone tried the 17" Method NV (17x8.5 +0) on a 200 yet? Been searching for used RWs but a set of Methods just surfaced. Know they're not the same, but they are a good deal and I do like the look.
My concern is the zero offset. Significantly less offset than OEM (or RW), and less than the +20-25 most people seem to run in aftermarket options. Know there are a lot of variables though. I still have stock suspension (LC), but will be putting on the OEM strut spacer. Haven't gotten new tires yet so some flexibility there.
Worried about either limiting tuck on articulation or tires sticking out too far and throwing up rocks etc. If my math is right, the outer edge of these would be about 14mm or 1/2" further out than the setup @kreiten runs, and he has a lift. @Lummie is running 18x9 +0 Volks (wider wheel, so even further out than the 17x8.5 +0 Methods would be) and looks like no issues after some minor trimming, but has AHC so probably in High position in situations requiring articulation. Both rigs look rad by the way!
For tires was thinking either 295/70/17 or 285/75/17 but maybe for these wheels something slightly smaller like the tried-and-true 285/70/17 might work better to clear the fenders?
Should probably just avoid the brain damage and wait around for a set of rock warriors but curious to hear if anyone has any thoughts. Thanks!
My concern is the zero offset. Significantly less offset than OEM (or RW), and less than the +20-25 most people seem to run in aftermarket options. Know there are a lot of variables though. I still have stock suspension (LC), but will be putting on the OEM strut spacer. Haven't gotten new tires yet so some flexibility there.
Worried about either limiting tuck on articulation or tires sticking out too far and throwing up rocks etc. If my math is right, the outer edge of these would be about 14mm or 1/2" further out than the setup @kreiten runs, and he has a lift. @Lummie is running 18x9 +0 Volks (wider wheel, so even further out than the 17x8.5 +0 Methods would be) and looks like no issues after some minor trimming, but has AHC so probably in High position in situations requiring articulation. Both rigs look rad by the way!
For tires was thinking either 295/70/17 or 285/75/17 but maybe for these wheels something slightly smaller like the tried-and-true 285/70/17 might work better to clear the fenders?
Should probably just avoid the brain damage and wait around for a set of rock warriors but curious to hear if anyone has any thoughts. Thanks!
Here's my 2 cents on those wheels... That width and offset combined with a 285 or even a 275 tire puts you in danger of hitting the top of the fender under articulation due to not being able to "tuck" the tire into the wheel well. And with no lift you would have cut a lot of plastic out of the inner fenders. When my rear tires are flexed up into the wheel well I cannot even fit my finger between the tire and fender, you'd be a half inch out further than me, puts those babies right into the fender. hope this helps ya make a decision, not trying to talk you out of them, just giving you my opinion based on my setup.
this came across my FB feed earlier today. Thought the crowd may appreciate the video.
I like a good dither as much as the next man, but at some point, these discussions beg the question: Are we talking function, style or budget?
If you want to be different or don't like the looks of RW, fine, but for function and price, hard to beat. They are out there -- used, remanufactured and new.
Good luck!
Check out this Rim & Tire Size Calculator: Rim & Tire Size Calculator. Custom Offsets
When the same LT285/70-17 tire is compared on the RW 17x8-50 wheels and those 17x8.5-0 wheels, this statement stood out for me:
Tire will stick out 50 mm [approx. 2 inches] farther. Rim will stick out 56 mm [approx 2 1/4 inches] farther. Make sure that you have enough room under the fender. If not, consider narrower tires or higher offset.
HTH
When the same LT285/70-17 tire is compared on the RW 17x8-50 wheels and those 17x8.5-0 wheels, this statement stood out for me:
Tire will stick out 50 mm [approx. 2 inches] farther. Rim will stick out 56 mm [approx 2 1/4 inches] farther. Make sure that you have enough room under the fender. If not, consider narrower tires or higher offset.
HTH
17x8.5 with a 25mm offset would be perfect for the 200! IMO Especially true if you want to run a wider tire like the one in the video (315). As that width and offset would allow for the tire to still tuck into the fender properly and also keeps it far enough out to avoid rubbing on the UCA etc...
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The full Facebook post claimed the offset was specifically designed for the Tundra AND landcruiser.
Nice to get some love from the vendor.
Hopefully as more and more 200 guys buy their shocks they will see the opportunity of an emerging market and start making more wheels for the tundra/cruiser..
Nice to get some love from the vendor.
Hopefully as more and more 200 guys buy their shocks they will see the opportunity of an emerging market and start making more wheels for the tundra/cruiser..