1HD-T Engine Failure - Calgary, AB - Advice/Tips welcome!!
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Wow. Some good info there.
I dont understand the financial logic in flogging it for 6k. You are going to take a huge hit either way. With your accessories you are in 20k right now. You can take a 14k hit and have nothing or rebuild it and take a 6-8k hit and have a basically brand new engine, plus everything else already purchased.
I would not beat on the guy too much. We all have our point of no return. Basically you dump the money into it and live with it and hope for the best or dump it and take the hit once and move on.
If the truck was worth 20k running and by your reasoning all he needs to do is put 6-8k into a rebuild to have the truck usable well then he is stuck with a truck that he has close to 30k into in a market that seems to be softening quite a bit. I have seen quite a few HDJ81's locally in the 5-8k range......running.
It sounds like he is disenchanted with the truck and rightly so, no maintained engine should fail that badly at that kind of millage.
If the truck was worth 20k running and by your reasoning all he needs to do is put 6-8k into a rebuild to have the truck usable well then he is stuck with a truck that he has close to 30k into in a market that seems to be softening quite a bit. I have seen quite a few HDJ81's locally in the 5-8k range......running.
It sounds like he is disenchanted with the truck and rightly so, no maintained engine should fail that badly at that kind of millage.
I guess I agree with alot of this, but my point is, you are going to be out a signifigant amount of money regardless whether you rebuild or not. So why not have something to show for it. So yes, your 20k rig has 30k sunk into it. But to me thats better than simply being out 14k and having an empty driveway.
That all being said, if its lost its lusture and you can afford to move on.... I get that as well.
Lets all add up how much we have sunk into our 80's and take it into consideration.
5 years ago mine was imported with 160'000km from japan, cost $25000 landed
Form there its had $35,000 sunk into it. Nothing gold plated.
Resale value - ~$20,000 if not in a hurry.
Owning a awesome, reliable 80 series isn't about resale.
In the OP's case, unfortunate it let go so soon, but I would rebuild.
THE replacement is probably going to have a different set of problems, all 80's do, ene if its not an 80!
5 years ago mine was imported with 160'000km from japan, cost $25000 landed
Form there its had $35,000 sunk into it. Nothing gold plated.
Resale value - ~$20,000 if not in a hurry.
Owning a awesome, reliable 80 series isn't about resale.
In the OP's case, unfortunate it let go so soon, but I would rebuild.
THE replacement is probably going to have a different set of problems, all 80's do, ene if its not an 80!
The audio in the video suggest top end rebuild.
Sounds about right, I believe looking at this video now I saw it there in that exact same spot.
The guy in the video sounds like one of the McKenzie brothers.......
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Take off eh...
from what i gather there was a fairly well known issue with the 1hdt cranks/ straightness according to some info ive run into on some of the early Aussie forums. Toyota apparently was well aware and early on was replacing these but im sure there were thousands that got by. I dont recall the specific years - but the Honsho plant around the same time was adpopting some new machines / machining techniques specifically related to forging and finishing processes. Given the fairly common Beb issues- i would imagine the bebs are more the by-product of this crank issue vs an actual beb problem.
Did you have further issues with the rebuilt motor? Or why do you say this?
Are you in a 100 these days? Sold the 80?
This...Reading the thread again, it sounded like you got a better offer than the original and took it rather than rebuilding...??? But post above indicates you went ahead with the rebuild?
As someone who is potentially looking at a rebuild, I am also curious.
I know this a really old thread, and a massive sidetrack. But this is completely false info posted by people that clearly are not familiar with 1h* engines. So I’m correcting it in the interests of public knowledge...
1HD-T and 1HD-FT are very similar, and can certainly be converted. Of course the heads swap - they use the same block! As does a 1hz... the rods are effectively the same, the pistons are different though. If you wanted to convert you’d need the FT head and gear, IP/injectors (although if pressures are reset a T pump coulD run an FT), pistons and inlet manifold.
I’m not saying it’d be cheap, or worth it necessarily. But it’s not hard
So are you saying the 1HZ and the 1HDT can use the same rods and crank then? Interesting.....
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A big part of it is that the rest of the truck is pretty rough. While it sat, I had forgotten and myriad of smaller issues that contributed to a frustrating vehicle.
In no particular order:
Seatbelts lock and take forever to slowly prod them to a sufficient length that they can be used
Rattles. Everywhere.
Painfully slow windows
painfully slow wipers - motor is HDJ81 specific
Useless rear defrost
Rattling mirror
Leaky windshield
RDL not working
Brakes suck!
Motor specific:
the motor pollutes so much it's embarrassing - even when it's warm and running relatively clear, the exhaust is cancer. literally. NOx for days.
Starting in the winter smokes out the entire block for 10 minutes
Performance isn't really that impressive even with the GTurbo @ 20Psi. LX has more HP and torque no doubt.
Fuel economy not impressive (often 20l/100km in the city, worse in the cold)
Cost of the motor rebuild would've bought my LX outright
Short oil change intervals. 2UZ did 16,000kms, 1hdt does 6000kms.
Always keeping an eye on the EGTs
The motor is reputed to be stout but I'm also paranoid since it failed once already. Feels like it's made of glass after spending $15k++ rebuilding it.
Diesel - $1.16c/L
Gas - $0.90c/L
Constantly fiddling with the boost compensator, trying to get a proper mix of fuel but not run too rich and kill fuel economy. I could see these motors being so much better in the FTE trim.
Highway fuel economy of a fully loaded LX on 33" ATs with RTT and supermoto on the back - 13.9L/100km
HDJ81 is doing about the same on 33's with the RTT.
I'm now into this truck for almost twice what I paid for my 2006 LX470 (which I just sold). The LX was better in every single way. Especially the motor. But also the chassis. I don't do the most extreme wheeling, but I never found myself missing diff locks where the lx had ATRAC. on-road, no comparison - 100 series all day.
I guess my only advice is to think long and hard about the money you're spending. How clean is solid is the rest of your truck? Mine has a lot to do with having a rough truck to begin with. If it was a super clean, tight and rattle free cab, I'd probably feel differently. Even then, it's painful to drive when -30'C hits and is infinitely less comfortable than my LX. It's hard to justify owning the 80 given the cost.
In no particular order:
Seatbelts lock and take forever to slowly prod them to a sufficient length that they can be used
Rattles. Everywhere.
Painfully slow windows
painfully slow wipers - motor is HDJ81 specific
Useless rear defrost
Rattling mirror
Leaky windshield
RDL not working
Brakes suck!
Motor specific:
the motor pollutes so much it's embarrassing - even when it's warm and running relatively clear, the exhaust is cancer. literally. NOx for days.
Starting in the winter smokes out the entire block for 10 minutes
Performance isn't really that impressive even with the GTurbo @ 20Psi. LX has more HP and torque no doubt.
Fuel economy not impressive (often 20l/100km in the city, worse in the cold)
Cost of the motor rebuild would've bought my LX outright
Short oil change intervals. 2UZ did 16,000kms, 1hdt does 6000kms.
Always keeping an eye on the EGTs
The motor is reputed to be stout but I'm also paranoid since it failed once already. Feels like it's made of glass after spending $15k++ rebuilding it.
Diesel - $1.16c/L
Gas - $0.90c/L
Constantly fiddling with the boost compensator, trying to get a proper mix of fuel but not run too rich and kill fuel economy. I could see these motors being so much better in the FTE trim.
Highway fuel economy of a fully loaded LX on 33" ATs with RTT and supermoto on the back - 13.9L/100km
HDJ81 is doing about the same on 33's with the RTT.
I'm now into this truck for almost twice what I paid for my 2006 LX470 (which I just sold). The LX was better in every single way. Especially the motor. But also the chassis. I don't do the most extreme wheeling, but I never found myself missing diff locks where the lx had ATRAC. on-road, no comparison - 100 series all day.
I guess my only advice is to think long and hard about the money you're spending. How clean is solid is the rest of your truck? Mine has a lot to do with having a rough truck to begin with. If it was a super clean, tight and rattle free cab, I'd probably feel differently. Even then, it's painful to drive when -30'C hits and is infinitely less comfortable than my LX. It's hard to justify owning the 80 given the cost.
Some like landcruisers and some don't. I drive a 1985 BJ70 and would not trade it for anything new or for that matter newer. When it gets cold my 85 creaks and groans like I do at 79, so I have a brotherly feeling for it . At it's age it does not pollute as much as a new tesla, no child labour for any part of it. So i am quite comfortable with the smoke that it expels when cold as I tend to expel some pollution at times too.
