100 series vs. 4runner drivetrain

[Nsingh85]

So, allow me....The 100 series is actually used all over the world in extreme conditions, along side the 105. The 105 is not available everywhere and the 100 series offers things the 105 does not, such as the more powerful V-8 engine. The 105 was made to be cheaper alternative to the IFS 100 series. Not necessarily better, although better in some conditions. But make no mistake about the IFS 100 series having it's fair share of duty around the world in 3rd world countries.

As i said the main reason for using the 105 over the 100 is the cost not only of the vehicle itself but also the cost of mods and maintainence.

 

[Nsingh85]

You go anywhere in Africa other than Egypt and South Africa and the Land Cruiser is only sold in diesel versions. Maybe a few places will have a gas but you won't be seeing the 5.7 in LC form anywhere else than the US for right now.
I highly doubt any Toyota crossing the Sahara desert or anywhere in Congo, somalia etc will be using the nav/hvac system found in the 100 series or 200 series or the 4.7 gaser.

I live in Kenya, that is East Africa,
All specs of landcruisers are sold here, including the 4.7L V8's.
The reason you see diesels here is because,
Diesel is cheaper than petrol and you get better milage,
Diesel engines are easier to maintain,
Diesel Fuel is available through out the country whereas you might be stranded for petrol,
The V8 is alot more expensive
You will easily find a diesel mechanic

Also you wont ge the Sat Nav systems here, but you will get the latitude and longitude navigational systems here, and trust me in the bush they are a blessing

Cheers!!

 

[pagemaster]

It is made in much fewer numbers and attention to detail in both design and construction is extreme compared to other models. Better parts and components are used and this is largely why it costs so much more.

I think Toyota makes around 100k 100 series per year worldwide when they were selling at peak...Part of the price premium is with electronics, components and materials used. Compared 55k Sequoia and a 70k Land Cruiser and differences are quite apparant with most new tech installed on the 200 series.

For one the HVAC/radio/4zone/Nav system are all integrated into one unit that relies on each other. The 200 series is now using the first application of the latest TEMS..The Sequoia uses the previous 100 series TEMS application.

Things like pre crash systems, push button, 4 zone, 10 airbags, night vision (100 series) are all exclusive to the Land Cruiser.

Now with Lexus trying to really push technology..things like fancy wood, cameras on the mirror and grill, power rear tailgate lift all contribute to the premium price.

When the first 100 series hit the market...Toyota introduced eltrolum gauges, TEMS, full powered passenger seats.

One of the things that bothers me about the 4Runner/GX470 is that they have curb weights that are similiar to the 80 series, but have a Hilux chassis/suspension/steering components. This makes me question just how much these vehicles can be overloaded for extreme use

And this is where I believe Toyota has caught up with the design and technology of the components that make up the 120 series models.

A V8 4wd 100 series Land Cruiser can haul up to around 1500 lbs, tow caps at 6500 lbs, and has brakes that don't exceed 12.8 inches.
A V8 4wd 120 platform 4runner can haul the same 1500 lbs, tow caps at 7000 lbs, and has larger rotors than the 100 series.

Now compare the 4runner to the new 200 series Land Cruiser and 200 series out performs the 4runner is almost every measure.

but have a Hilux chassis/suspension/steering components.

I think it they are fine...there are Hilux models available that can haul payload up to 2900lbs...

 

[1loudLX]

dude, will you stop calling the suspension TEMS? Its AHC(Auto Height Control). The gauges arent new, been in the LS since inception.

 

[pagemaster]

dude, will you stop calling the suspension TEMS? Its AHC(Auto Height Control).

Actually AVS/TEMS is Adaptive Variable Suspension and AHC is Adjustable Height Control. This is straight from my old manaul.

The 2008 LX is now using AVS (or TEMS) and Active Height Control and Automatic Load Leveling.

The gauges arent new, been in the LS since inception.

The point is that part of the price premium with the original 100 series which had options that have found there way into lower priced Toyota vehicles.

1. The original TEMS or Adaptive Variable Suspension is now used in the Sequoia Platinum model.

2. Power tilt/telescoping steering is used on Tundra and Sequoia.

3. Electrolum guages can now be found on Camry, Corolla, Tundra and Sequoia.

4. Side airbag which were exclusive to 100 series is now all over the place.

All of these feature were only available on the LC/LX470 back in 1999 and you paid a premium for them. Now you can find them everywhere throughout Toyota's line up as the 200 series (as well as some Lexus) uses exclusive TEMS (2nd Gen), Pre crash, 10 airbags which eventually will find there way into lesser Toyota's.

 

[1loudLX]

so how does that make the 4runner or 100 better then the other? If anything I see that as making the 100 better since it got everything first, even if its an "older design".

 

[NeilC]

I think I know what this guys problem is. Since the only knowledge he has comes from from reading marketing info and press releases, he thinks the 4runner is better because that is what Toyota markets. They didn't actively market the LC so he doesn't think it is anything special. He plays up the technology options because when he looks down a list of features, that is all he can see. He bases his purchases on the commercials for the product instead of the product. Otherwise I give up but I can't seem to stop typing. Someone please stop me!

 

[1loudLX]

i would rather this be an 80vs100 thread.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

A V8 4wd 100 series Land Cruiser can haul up to around 1500 lbs, tow caps at 6500 lbs, and has brakes that don't exceed 12.8 inches.
A V8 4wd 120 platform 4runner can haul the same 1500 lbs, tow caps at 7000 lbs, and has larger rotors than the 100 series.

Again, you're hanging your hat on a very, very narrow scope. A tow capacity of 500 more lbs = universally better vehicle? All it means is that it has different springs. The experts here have been talking build quality and you've got the first hand experience of 3 different people who actually OWN both vehicles. To go way, way back to your original point of the LC not being "heavy duty", well it may not be by government classification or in some journalist's eye, but if you look within the Toyota line up - it's at the top. Always has been.

 

[SWUtah]

Maybe this will help. I owned a 1995 FZJ80, then a 1999 Landcruiser and also at the same time a 2004 4runner SE V8 AWD. Then I traded the 1999 Landcruiser for a 2004 LX470 and still had the 2004 4runner. Wife kept the 4runner and I traded my LX470 for a 2003 SL500. I later bought a 2007 4runner Limited V8 AWD and had it along with the SL for about 7 months. I traded the almost new 4runner for another 2004 LX470 because I loved that LX so much and it was such a superior vehicle to the 4runner that I would rather have a 2004 LX470 with 3x,xxx miles versus a 2007 4runner with 1x,000 miles. Both are good vehicles but the LX is superior in every way.

forgot I traded the 2003 SL500 for a 2008 SL550. I need to stop trading now since I have what I need/want

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

 

[chief88]

Seriously?? - a 4Runner vs. LC thread??

This is probably the LAST "vs." thread I could have ever imagined.... If there weren't 33 posts already, I would have thought this was some sort of typo

80 vs. 100? OK, interesting and lots to discuss.

100 vs. 200? well, we're just getting started...

But a 4Runner???????

It's a 4RUNNER. ENOUGH SAID



If there weren't 33 posts already, I would have thought this was some sort of typo. Who starts a thread about 4Runners vs. LC??

Stop it. Seriously.

 

[chief88]

Seriously?? - a 4Runner vs. LC thread??

This is probably the LAST "vs." thread I could have ever imagined.... If there weren't 33 posts already, I would have thought this was some sort of typo

80 vs. 100? OK, interesting and lots to discuss.

100 vs. 200? well, we're just getting started...

But a 4Runner???????

It's a 4RUNNER. ENOUGH SAID



If there weren't 33 posts already, I would have thought this was some sort of typo. Who starts a thread about 4Runners vs. LC??

Stop it. Seriously.

See what I mean. I can't even concentrate - I'm so baffled by this!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[04UZJ100]

See its people like you who are taking away from this thread because you own a LC and think its the absolute best thing going and that nothing in the world not even an M1A1 tank.

 

[Elijah]

Mind 'bottling', isn't it?

 

[steenh]

Like watching a cat play with a mouse. The mouse thinks it has a chance... the cat knows better.

Just waiting for the kill and head eating.

 

[boombapslappy]

All of these feature were only available on the LC/LX470 back in 1999 and you paid a premium for them. Now you can find them everywhere throughout Toyota's line up as the 200 series (as well as some Lexus) uses exclusive TEMS (2nd Gen), Pre crash, 10 airbags which eventually will find there way into lesser Toyota's.

So, you admit that all toyota's are inferior to the LC...;p

 

[Crain]

Next we should compare the Land Cruiser to the mid 90's 2 door Rav 4 (God those were hot).

 

[04UZJ100]

I think all Toyota's are inferior to this personally:




LC's Included

 

[uzj100]

We have a 00 LC and 03 GX. Two totally different vehicles. The GX feels lighter duty (to me), not as solid (to me), etc. I choose to drive the LC everytime. They are both great vehicles.

I would think it all comes down to personal preference once again. If you like the 4Runner, great, have fun. If you like the LC, great, have fun.

Which would I choose to drive around the globe? The LC.

The GX/4Runner feels like a lightweight.