100 Series NAV Delete – True Standalone HVAC Solution (OEM+)

Enthusiast Level vs. OEM Level

  • Enthusiast

    Votes: 21 21.0%
  • OEM

    Votes: 79 79.0%

  • Total voters
    100
  • Poll closed .

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I have a question and I would very much like as much input as possible from those interested in the project.

There are basically two directions this can go:
Option 1 - No display (pure physical controls)
  • Knobs (rotary dial) represent actual position (fan, temp, mode)
  • Buttons with simple LED indicators
  • No screen at all
  • More OEM/simple feel
Option 2 - Add a small display
  • Same physical controls
  • Small, subtle display showing things like temp, fan level, mode
  • More feedback / slightly more modern feel
Neither one is “right”, just different approaches.
Curious which direction people would actually prefer in the real world and why.
 
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If I can tell what’s selected and what it’s set to with just a quick glance at the console that’s the one-IMO. I’m so over screens and displays and all that. But if it’s simple and intuitive then have at it. 🤙
 
For me, I think I'd prefer a small display but I completely understand the ultra simplistic draw to have dials only.
I will say I'm not personally a fan of a dial for selecting where the air comes out. For that I prefer buttons.
 
In order to sort out any misunderstandings because of different use of terms...
There's a difference between a Dial and a Rotary Switch (with several positions).
Buttons = Pushbuttons.

For ease of use, and being able to adjust settings based on tactile feedback only, it's easier to make it work with rotary switches than with pushbuttons. Buttons would have to be of a type where it mechanically stays pushed, and laid out in such a way that you can feel the setting without looking.

Having to look at buttons and screens, and aiming for a push at the right place, is a pain when bumping along on a bad road in the dark. A solid rotary switch with firm steps is not easy to miss(adjust).
 
LX470 vs. Land Cruiser

The smartest architecture here is:
One HVAC control module family with two lower-panel fitment variants, not two separate products.
Same electronics, same firmware, same behavior, only the lower cassette-area fitment changes.



LX470 oriented w/ display
Code:
┌──────────────────────────────────────┐
│              STATUS STRIP            │
│        72°   FAN 3   AUTO/VENT       │
│                                      │
│   ( TEMP )            ( FAN )        │
│                                      │
│ [A/C] [AUTO] [MODE] [DEF] [RECIRC]   │
└──────────────────────────────────────┘

Land Cruiser oriented w/ display
Code:
┌──────────────────────────────────┐
│         slim status strip        │
│                                  │
│  ( TEMP )          ( FAN )       │
│                                  │
│ [A/C] [AUTO] [MODE] [DEF] [REC]  │
└──────────────────────────────────┘

Triple Rotary w/ display (Doable, but much more sensitive to cassette-area dimensions)
Code:
┌──────────────────────────────────┐
│        slim status strip         │
│                                  │
│ (TEMP)   (MODE)    (FAN)         │
│                                  │
│ [A/C] [AUTO] [DEF] [RECIRC]      │
└──────────────────────────────────┘



Path A - 2 Rotary
  • Temp rotary
  • Fan rotary
  • Mode via pushbutton (cycled with indicators)
Easiest to package across both models
Cleanest firmware behavior



Path B - 3 Rotary
  • Temp rotary
  • Fan rotary
  • Dedicated mode rotary
More traditional HVAC feel
Much tighter packaging
Adds system complexity



No Display - Simplest Implementation

Firmware only needs to:
  • Read inputs
  • Maintain state
  • Transmit MPX behavior
  • Drive LEDs
No rendering
No UI refresh
No display timing
Lowest complexity
Most robust

Constraint:
State must be communicated via:
  • LEDs
  • Icons
  • Knob markings



Small Display - Adds Capability (and Scope)

Adds:
  • Display driver
  • UI update loop
  • State-to-visual mapping
  • Brightness / startup handling
Once present, expectations increase:
  • Temp readout
  • Fan level
  • Mode indication
  • System status
The display must stay fully synchronized at all times.



2-Rotary, No Display
  • Simplest firmware
  • Lowest validation effort
  • Easiest packaging
Constraint:
  • Requires strong LED/UI design


2-Rotary, Small Display
  • Low input complexity
  • Clear system feedback
  • Avoids 3rd rotary sync issues


3-Rotary, Small Display
  • Most tactile/traditional
Constraint:
  • Higher firmware complexity
  • Larger validation scope
  • Tight packaging
  • More startup/state edge cases


2-rotary is simpler from a system perspective, and remains the cleanest and most robust direction BUT I’m not avoiding complexity.

If the community strongly prefers a true 3-rotary layout, I’m willing to take that on, I just want to make sure it’s what people actually want before committing to it.
 
As a person that went out of their way to get a non-nav LC, I can say after a few years of ownership that it’s amazing to have fewer screens in life. I look at screens all day for work and then my “wasted time” at home. If the nav bypass were available as an option, I suspect the price of nav LC/LX would rise ;)

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Definitely 1. 04 LX470.
 
In order to sort out any misunderstandings because of different use of terms...
There's a difference between a Dial and a Rotary Switch (with several positions).
Buttons = Pushbuttons.

For ease of use, and being able to adjust settings based on tactile feedback only, it's easier to make it work with rotary switches than with pushbuttons. Buttons would have to be of a type where it mechanically stays pushed, and laid out in such a way that you can feel the setting without looking.

Having to look at buttons and screens, and aiming for a push at the right place, is a pain when bumping along on a bad road in the dark. A solid rotary switch with firm steps is not easy to miss(adjust).
Agreed- there is something about a high quality rotary knob that goes "snick-snick-snick" when dialing through the detents that really blows my hair back. Is that weird? 😝
 
I'm just seeing this thread and can't believe what I'm reading! My opinion on your latest question is agreeing with the dials. I have both an LX and non-nav LC, and much prefer the LC configuration. I'm 10,000% looking forward to the end result of all your work!
 
I am down for either option as long as it is not all in built in one unit like OEM.. I hate all in ones!
 
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