Philips HIR2 3d Generation 9012 (1 Viewer)

[rhyary]

I am so impressed by the Phillips 3rd generation that I wanted open a new thread on this.

http://store.candlepower.com/ph3rdge90h.html

I drove the other day two hours in the dark and the lights are so good that any thought of HID I had, has evaporated from my brain. Not only the light quality is much better than the Toshiba HIR I had before but the wide angle is so good that it makes the aux Lightforce un necessary in most cases.

With the Toshiba I had to run the Lightforce on everytime I wanted to see the full two lanes and beyond.

I took a picture on the highway with my IPhone and you can easily see the wide angle of the Philips. So I changed my mind from previous posts and now think that you should give these a try before doing any major surgery on you lights as the cheapest most effective mod.

 

[yoopercharged]

Good to know. I assume you replaced the John Deere HIRs? Looks like they also have a special for all 4 for $100.

<b><font color =red>HIR SPECIAL... SAVE: $20.00 on a Set of Lo and Hi Beams</b></font color>

 

[rhyary]

I had Toshiba. I believe I bought them 3 years a go from the same place as provided link.
My high beam is still Toshiba HIR. But the special is definitely great deal. I should have gotten the special and have spare 9011 but I did not see it in time.

 

[DA Goat]

Thanks for the heads up and the link to the site. Just ordered mine and can't wait to get them installed.

 

[options2]

I am so impressed by the Phillips 3rd generation that I wanted open a new thread on this.

<font color="green">NEW Philips 3rd Generation 9012 (HIR2) - (12.8V 55W - PX22D)</font>

I drove the other day two hours in the dark and the lights are so good that any thought of HID I had, has evaporated from my brain. Not only the light quality is much better than the Toshiba HIR I had before but the wide angle is so good that it makes the aux Lightforce un necessary in most cases.

With the Toshiba I had to run the Lightforce on everytime I wanted to see the full two lanes and beyond.

I took a picture on the highway with my IPhone and you can easily see the wide angle of the Philips. So I changed my mind from previous posts and now think that you should give these a try before doing any major surgery on you lights as the cheapest most effective mod.

If you try HIDs you will forget about these. I am running a set of HIDs on my FJ and I hate driving any other car now without them. The light output on the road is amazing, the color is amazing and makes it way easier to see at night. I did have to readjust the angle on the headlights.....I had to point them down a little because they were just too bright for other cars. After 2 nights of testing got them just right. I still get flashed every now and then, but I also use to get flash with the stock lights.

The set i got was completely plug and play, it didn't require any wiring to the battery. Have been running them for 3 years now with no issues. The kit I got was the 6000k H4 pure white. From what I have heard 4300K to 5000K is closest to OEM. But after a lot of research I got the 6000K, and I love it. When looking at the truck they look pure white with no sign of blue or other colors. The kit was $55 shipped, only $20 more than these bulbs. Just my 2 cents.

 

[firetruck41]

I have HID in my MINI, nothing to die for. I think with the cost of having to upgrade the housings/etc, the HIR are a very good alternative, in fact, preferable when you take into account the cost/benefit.

 

[dgerst]

I wonder how the new 9012's compare to Toshiba 9011's in the low beam hole. That's what I'm running and I really like it.

 

[rhyary]

The Toshiba 9011 work fine for me and I have not seen 9011 Phillips.

I forgot to give you my perceptive on HID. I had HID on:
BMW 330i
Volvo 70R
BMW M5

So I had three cars with HID and I tell you the Phillps are no HID but in the LX450 it is excellent and there is no point going to HID given the simple solution the 9012 Phillips provide.

YEMV - Your Eyes May Vary

 

[lndcruz]

Glad to see you like the HIRs.


As a general rule its a BAD idea to run a HID kit in a halogen housing. HID "kits" produce to much glare and effectively blind on coming traffic. If you must use HIDs(like me) look into a proper retrofit with hid projector.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/398120-another-projector-retrofit-into-depos.html

 

[cary]

If you try HIDs you will forget about these. I am running a set of HIDs on my FJ and I hate driving any other car now without them. The light output on the road is amazing, the color is amazing and makes it way easier to see at night. I still get flashed every now and then, but I also use to get flash with the stock lights.

The set i got was completely plug and play, it didn't require any wiring to the battery. Have been running them for 3 years now with no issues. The kit I got was the 6000k H4 pure white. The kit was $55 shipped, only $20 more than these bulbs. Just my 2 cents.

Wow, so you not only did an illegal HID conversion into a halogen fixture, but you did one that eliminated your high beams because you did it in an H4 housing???!!!! If you think that is an improvement, you need to go get your eyes checked.

 

[rhyary]

I have LX450 and from what I can see there are no housing (Depo?) for the LX450.
As I said, after the Phillips, I no longer see the point.

Yes HID into the existing housing never crossed my mind.

 

[cary]

I forgot to give you my perceptive on HID. I had HID on:
BMW 330i
Volvo 70R
BMW M5

So I had three cars with HID and I tell you the Phillps are no HID but in the LX450 it is excellent and there is no point going to HID given the simple solution the 9012 Phillips provide.

YEMV - Your Eyes May Vary

Just finally lost one of my Toshiba HIR's and replaced them with the Philips 9012 on Monday. Definitely a bit more output, a bit whiter, and better focus (the shorter filament in the new design). I don't know that I would run out and buy them if your Toshiba's are working, but if one burns out, I would definitely replace both with the newer Philips bulb.

I have had similar experiences with HID light, had an X5 with them and now an Audi A6. I don't like the low color rendition on them (in the 80s) compared to incandescent lamps which are in the high 90s.

Interestingly, the Audi A6 is a 1998 and the factory HID's were horrible. I did some research and learned that HID's while they don't burn out, get dimmer over time and color shift. I ended up ordering the new Philips 85112+ capsules which are 300 lumens brighter than the standard capsules, start at 4300k and stay there through their life (standard HID capsules shift to the 5100k+ range after a 100 hours). The 85112+ made a huge difference, the old capsules were probably only putting out 50% of their original output and shift towards a very nice white (as opposed to blueish) helped also. Now I would rate the lights as a 7 out of 10 instead of a 3.

 

[cary]

Glad to see you like the HIRs.


As a general rule its a BAD idea to run a HID kit in a halogen housing. HID "kits" produce to much glare and effectively blind on coming traffic. If you must use HIDs(like me) look into a proper retrofit with hid projector.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/398120-another-projector-retrofit-into-depos.html

Yep, if you are going to go the HID route, this is the only proper way to do it. It takes a lot of time and work, but results in a good lighting that also doesn't blind others.

 

[daveb1016]

set of lights

thanks for the new thread. I just ordered a complete set from candlepower. I wasn't happy with the stock lighting-this should help.

 

[options2]

Wow, so you not only did an illegal HID conversion into a halogen fixture, but you did one that eliminated your high beams because you did it in an H4 housing???!!!! If you think that is an improvement, you need to go get your eyes checked.

Nope they included High beam, although they were regular halogens. But it doesn't matter they aren't needed. Also I don't think my eyes have a problem, I have 20/15 vision in both eyes.

 

[cary]

Nope they included High beam, although they were regular halogens. But it doesn't matter they aren't needed. Also I don't think my eyes have a problem, I have 20/15 vision in both eyes.

Wow, I'm impressed, talk about a mickey mouse deal (see the photo below). So you are using an HID capsule which has the wrong focal point and length for the H4 fixture, and then have a "hi beam" that is so far outside the focal point of the reflector it might as well be located in the parking lamp fixuture (see the below photos of an H4 lamp and the HID crap rebase).

If you are serious about getting real, usable light out of your FJ, you will throw that conversion out and go to the Osram Hyper H4 70/65 or 85/85 lamps (the larger may require a relay upgrade). Susquehanna MotorSports - Auto Performance Product

For reference here are the outputs:

Standard H4- 1650/1000 lumens
Hyper 70/65- 2000/1350 lumens
Hyper 85/80- 2400/1750 lumens

For comparison a 6000k HID fixture is putting out 2800 lumens.

With the correct focal points and higher color renditioning of the hyper H4 bulbs, you will put out far more light on the road than the rebased HID kit you are using. You will also not blind other drivers. It is a win win.

 

[options2]

I spent alot of time trying out different headlight bulbs and setups over the years and these are by far the best I have use. I spent alot more time adjusting them around to give optimal light output on the road and minimum glare to on coming traffic. Blinding other driver sometimes cant be helped? For example a lifted truck verse low sports car, its going to bright them no matter what you have. Like I said before, I use to get flashed in my FJ along with other trucks I had with OEM setups. It just happens sometimes.

Honestly cars with OEM HID setups like BMWs and S2000s look bright to me sometimes......actually most headlights are bright if you stare at them. When dealing with lights like that I just look to the lane marker on the right side....its not hard.

 

[cary]

Did you try the osram's listed above, or simply play around with tinted blue bulbs?

There is no way to adjust the HID swap you have to prevent excessive glare, the lights are throwing out a ton of light way above their designed cutoff because you have moved the focal point so far the reflector and lens can no longer focus the light. I would love to see a wall shot of your lights. See below what a proper retrofit looks like compared to what yours looks like.

 

[Chef J]

There is no way to adjust the HID swap you have to prevent excessive glare, the lights are throwing out a ton of light way above their designed cutoff because you have moved the focal point so far the reflector and lens can no longer focus the light. I would love to see a wall shot of your lights. See below what a proper retrofit looks like compared to what yours looks like.

Agreed, HID kit bulbs in halogen housings while the do seem to give better light are a nuisance to others and really shouldn't be used. There is an easier way, lndcruz and a few other mudder's results prompted me to retrofit mine and I haven't been flashed once, granted they are properly aimed.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/415588-bi-xenon-retro-fit-simplified.html

 

[options2]

Sorry I am at work and dont have a picture handy. Im sure it is more like the top one.....the beam wont have as a cut and dry line like the projectors. The housings just dont focus light like that, they dont do it with halogens either. However i would bet my "wide" pattern is below the cut off line. I just didnt throw them and leave it like that.....like what is shown here in the picture. I took alot of time adjusting them around to get the best of both worlds.


Also the shot angles in the two pictures above are not the same. It hard to judge just from these shots.