Thanks for the measurement. At this point, I’m leaning towards the 885. I have a dissent aluminum bumper and it doesn’t weigh that much to move up the 886.They're good. Definitely not too harsh or anything. I honestly could go stiffer, but I was afraid of the 886s without extra weight. I was planning on 886s, adding an RRW bumper and winch , but cancelled after 11 weeks and a promise to 'get it built in the next 30 days.'