Toyo MT - Road Snow Input

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It's time for my next set of tires. I've been running Trxus MT's for years, specifically because they are so good in the snow, as in "head and shoulders above the BFG AT in the snow", both icy hardpack and deep offroad. But I'd like to run the Toyos for the obvious reason: roundness. They are the same weight as the Trxus, so my only real concern is snow usage.

For those who have Toyo MT's, and particularly those who live in the Rockies and deal with a lot of icy hardpack in a wide range of temps (well below zero to 50 degree days), what is your impression?

I'd particularly like feedback from anybody who has run Trxus and the Toyos (just the snow part, I get the round part), and how the tires hold up to serious crawling with the center lugs aftermarket siped as well as winter performance with that siping. If the tires hold up well, and the siping brings them up to around the performance of the Trxus MT, it would be a no brainer.

Appreciate any input, I like what the Toyo has to offer and have asked about winter performance on a number of threads, but a clear answer eludes me, outside of the occasional "as good as BFG AT", which is not anywhere near good enough as I've had too many close calls, not to mention the compound freezing, with BFG AT's in the past.

Thanks :cheers:
 
No experience wit them in the realy cold stuff , but in the CA deep stuff aslong as there is traction to be had they are very stabil .
Very heavy sidewall so dropping to 2-3 psi shouldnt be an issue.
The compound seems to be plyable in the CA cold.

If you sipe the tread - the out side 1.5-2" would prolly be a close to perfect multipurpose tire.

hth
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I don't have experience my self but I have been looking for new boots and I have decided to go with the Toyo MT's. Living in Saskatchewan Canada Winter driving is also one of my concern.(with two little kids) I have talked to people that run them in the winter here and they said that they wouldn't uses anything else. I also have a cousin that sells tires and he said that there are more people buying them. Its just to bad that they are so much $$$.
 
Do you get a lot of vibes with your TRXUS? I an debating the same tire choices for the same usage and just pulled the trigger on the TRXUS (which happen to be a lot cheaper than the TOYOs). FWIW siping my previous MTRs made them fantastic on the slippery stuff so I imagine it will work as well on the TOYOs.

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Nay,
I have had my Toyo's for approx. 1 1/2 years here in CO and I think they run great. I am going to hit my second winter this year and it should tell me how good the factory siphoning was since they are more worn now. As far as holding out on the trails here in CO they are much better than the MTR's I had before regarding durability, and they stay true to the balancing I get done every 3-5k. Just in case you wanted to know I am running 35's.
 
I love my Toyo's and I did have the center siped by Discount when they were new. As far as how they perform in wintery hardpack, I would say that I will not switch to another tire. Their grip in the snow and ice is excellent. I have wheeled both in deep soft snow and harder packed snow on rocks. The only thing I have noticed with them being aftermarket siped is that when I wheel in the mountains they do tend to pick up small 1/8 in rocks in between the sipes. Not every sipe picks up rocks, and I wouldn't even say alot of them do, just enough to notice it's side effect of them being siped. I have had no chunking, which I expected in the siped area, and they grip very well in the sometimes wet granite trails in the Front range. I can get you pics of the tires siping after about 11k miles if you like.
 
Timoss said:
Do you get a lot of vibes with your TRXUS? I an debating the same tire choices for the same usage and just pulled the trigger on the TRXUS (which happen to be a lot cheaper than the TOYOs). FWIW siping my previous MTRs made them fantastic on the slippery stuff so I imagine it will work as well on the TOYOs.

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My trxus have always been very quiet and smooth, the gig is they don't run nice at high PSI. In my experience, you need to be running <=33 PSI.

They are a lot cheaper than the Toyos for sure.
 
Thanks for the input, everybody seems to like them. My only question will be whether I go 37x12.5x17 Cooper Discover STT's on 17x7.5 FJC steelies or stay 35's in the Toyos.
 
FJBen said:
how do you think the sidewalls will compare? I'm very tempted as well with the 37's STT's.
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They are a 3 ply with the 3rd at an angle just like the Toyos.

I wouldn't hesitate, personally, for that issue. Tools R Us is running them in that size with good results.

I'm sticking with 35's, the 37's are tempting, but with temptation comes cans of worms I just don't want to open right now.

Maybe when the Toyos wear out :D
 
You may want to talk to Chad (sleepercreeper) of his experience with his Toyo's in the snow. I know he hates them...... As for my experience it was on a 1972 Blazer and when I went wheeling with a Jeep and a Dodge Ram extended cab in about 2 to 3 ft of snow, they walked all over me... Unfortunately I can't remember what tires they had. I had a lot of trouble just keeping the Blazer moving and not getting stuck.. I wasn't able to go play like everyone else. Not sure if the same will translate over to the FJ80.

I am also trying to figure out which tires to buy. The serious wheelers around here like the Pro-Comp Extreme M/T's.... I have wanted to try the Trexxus but haven't pulled the trigger because of the balance concerns... I DD about 4 miles per day with my FJ...
 
slamd58 said:
You may want to talk to Chad (sleepercreeper)
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He hates 'em for Northwest mud, my snow issues are completely different. If I lived in the PNW, I'd be running Trxus at a minimum, but in the dry Southwest a combination of good outer lugs and siped inners is a winning combo.

My guess is the trxus are a bit better deep snow tire, but I may be splitting hairs when talking about busting 3 feet of powder anyway. Mostly I wanted to make sure they were predictable across a range of temps on icy hardpack and the feedback has been good.
 
I ordered the Toyos today.

I find myself both wishing I'd just gone 37's in the STT's and really glad I didn't :D.

Given I don't daily drive and will get 3 years out of these, I expect them to be my last set of 35's.

Paid $280/tire plus mount/balance at Discount for $300 total out the door + tax. Outrageous, but I think a ~$200 premium over 3 years for the right tire is more than worth it.
 
I live east crest of cascade mountains, and drive snow nearly everyday in the winter. The toyo m/t's (not siped) did great the first season, last year they were much worse w/ about 50% tread. This year I am gonna ditch them before winter.

Nay said:
He hates 'em for Northwest mud, my snow issues are completely different. If I lived in the PNW, I'd be running Trxus at a minimum, but in the dry Southwest a combination of good outer lugs and siped inners is a winning combo.

My guess is the trxus are a bit better deep snow tire, but I may be splitting hairs when talking about busting 3 feet of powder anyway. Mostly I wanted to make sure they were predictable across a range of temps on icy hardpack and the feedback has been good.
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Come on Nay... go read your last couple of posts. :p You need to just stick with the Truxus or go for the Q78. :grinpimp:


35.5 or 35? is the only question you should be debating.
 
Nay, can you give a year-after-review of the Toyos? I see you did away with them, was that before you got some snow driving? I'm trying to decide if I should hold off on these till after the snow season or ditch my BFG ATs now. I've had great experiences with the BFGs in CO, especially on I-70 in the pass'....passing everyone that was slipping and sliding. I was wondering if the Toyo MT's have comparable performance on-road, as I hear they're kickass off in the deep powder.

Trying to read online "user-reviews" are like watching a group of 3rd graders on the playground. THEY'RE GREAT/THEY SUCK! and nothing in-between. I cant tell if it's just the trucks that they're on, but the 100, and probably the 80s do great with stock tires and AT's.
 
I am runnin the 265x75 x16's on a 1st gen Tundra and they have done well in snow. seem to be a great tire for most everything. I did a road trip of 3000+ miles in July and they are still looking good.
 
1loudLX said:
Nay, can you give a year-after-review of the Toyos? I see you did away with them, was that before you got some snow driving? I'm trying to decide if I should hold off on these till after the snow season or ditch my BFG ATs now. I've had great experiences with the BFGs in CO, especially on I-70 in the pass'....passing everyone that was slipping and sliding. I was wondering if the Toyo MT's have comparable performance on-road, as I hear they're kickass off in the deep powder.

Trying to read online "user-reviews" are like watching a group of 3rd graders on the playground. THEY'RE GREAT/THEY SUCK! and nothing in-between. I cant tell if it's just the trucks that they're on, but the 100, and probably the 80s do great with stock tires and AT's.
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I still have Toyo M/T's on the :princess: truck. They suck horribly in slick conditions. They are too hard (rock solid) and do not flex very well in warm conditions, let alone cold.

I had them on my truck before they went to the :princess:, and disliked them in any sort of slick condition. They were okay otherwise, but I wouldn't consider their performance stellar.

I can see them doing okay in deep powder due to the large paddle style lugs, but in any sort of icy/slushy conditions I have not seen them do well.

If anyone wants a set of 31" Toyo M/T's, I'm more than willing to dump them off the :princess: truck. :lol:
 
Ebag333 said:
I still have Toyo M/T's on the :princess: truck. They suck horribly in slick conditions. They are too hard (rock solid) and do not flex very well in warm conditions, let alone cold.

I had them on my truck before they went to the :princess:, and disliked them in any sort of slick condition. They were okay otherwise, but I wouldn't consider their performance stellar.

I can see them doing okay in deep powder due to the large paddle style lugs, but in any sort of icy/slushy conditions I have not seen them do well.

If anyone wants a set of 31" Toyo M/T's, I'm more than willing to dump them off the :princess: truck. :lol:
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Im gonna agree with mr ebag on this, i have a half used set of 35x13.5r15 open country mt's that are not meant for winter driving, high mileage sure, but not ice friendly. Although I now have mud grapplers on and im kind of thinking I should have got some destination mt's and got them studded...
 
1loudLX said:
Nay, can you give a year-after-review of the Toyos? I see you did away with them, was that before you got some snow driving? I'm trying to decide if I should hold off on these till after the snow season or ditch my BFG ATs now. I've had great experiences with the BFGs in CO, especially on I-70 in the pass'....passing everyone that was slipping and sliding. I was wondering if the Toyo MT's have comparable performance on-road, as I hear they're kickass off in the deep powder.

Trying to read online "user-reviews" are like watching a group of 3rd graders on the playground. THEY'RE GREAT/THEY SUCK! and nothing in-between. I cant tell if it's just the trucks that they're on, but the 100, and probably the 80s do great with stock tires and AT's.
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I actually thought the Toyos were pretty decent for Colorado winter conditions, although I only had them for about 2K miles. As you know, we don't get a lot of ice - icy hardpack to a point, yes, but not sheet ice.

I would take them over BFG AT's any day of the week, but I think BFG AT's suck in the winter because they freeze up in really cold temps, so you have an unpredictable tire, which is a terrible characteristic for any tire in any condition.

They were ok in deep snow, but really seemed "boggy" to me. Wanted to dig more than go forward, and just seemed heavy with that characteristic. Not a bad tire for sure, again way superior to the BFG AT, but not a great offroad snow MT.

What I hated about the Toyos was that they didn't track great (not a sticky tire) but mostly that they are loud as hell. I hated the noise, buying a tire for roundness on the road and having it be loud is pointless.

I wouldn't buy them again, Trxus are just a better tire in every condition and every regard except perhaps driving 90 mph. They won't last as long, but then you want the traction of a softer compound don't expect 50K treadlife.

If I had kept the Toyos I would have grooved the outer blocks to make them more flexible and hopefully quieter, and I would have siped the inner treads. Would probably be an outstanding tire at that point if the "quieter" part worked.

You should find a trxus shod rig to test drive. It is silly how good these tires are year round in Colorado, and quality has gone way up. My 37's drive better at 80 mph than my 33's did four years ago. They take plenty of weight, but have stayed well balanced, smooth and quiet for 5K miles without rotation or rebalance.

I'd look at those new Goodyear Duratrac's, too. They look like an excellent winter tire that would hold its own in the deep stuff.

Hope that helps :cheers:
 
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