Toyo MT - Road Snow Input

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No experience on ice or hard pack but was impressed with them in 9" of powder a couple of weekends ago. Pics. are from a trip up to Hawley Mtn. outside of Boise a couple weeks ago after a fresh snow. A couple friends and I followed some four wheeler tracks in for 8 miles or so and then I busted new tracks for a couple miles to the top of the mountain. (315X75 R16 Toyo MT's).

Friends were running BFG AT's and were ready to turn around after the four wheeler tracks ended. I pushed on....finally decided to air down to 15 PSI after a few hundered yards of breaking new trail. Wow, what a difference...I busted new trail for about another .5 mile to the top. FUN, I've never really done any snow wheel'in before. I'd like to think the low end grunt of my TBI 350 helped as well. :D

EDIT: so I do have a SOME experience on the icy hard pack with these tires.... Driving to the above location on dirt road at the lower elevations we did experience some snow pack and icy conditions. Yeah, the rear tires easily broke loose around icy corners, I could also easily lock up all the wheels and slide uncontrollably. Caution and carefully calibrated speed was the ticket. I don't feel the Toyo MT's were worse than other tire in this situation other than most likely a dedicated snow tire.
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I'm looking for an all season/year tire. I just sold my BFG AT's to another mudder so now I need tires this week. I'll be hitting Moab, nevada, alaska and whatever else I can find this coming summer. We've got pretty good road service in the winter and I dont wheel in the snow, no where to go.

I'll look into the trxus and goodyears, I think the tire shop gives you a moneyback deal if you arent happy.
 
mmuthart thanks for that review, sounds good. I'm going with 285/75/18 as I dont want to have to run spacers on the front to clear the IFS if I go with the 16"rim 35s.
 
1loudLX said:
I'm looking for an all season/year tire. I just sold my BFG AT's to another mudder so now I need tires this week. I'll be hitting Moab, nevada, alaska and whatever else I can find this coming summer. We've got pretty good road service in the winter and I dont wheel in the snow, no where to go.

I'll look into the trxus and goodyears, I think the tire shop gives you a moneyback deal if you arent happy.
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Moab, Nevada, Alaska...what a combo :grinpimp:

Alaska, if you are going to wheel, you'd better have a really good MT, like Trxus at a minimum.

Cross country Moab, Nevada, etc, a nice set of Nitto Terra Grapplers will be your friend and nothing but great reports in the snow (the road stuff).

Honestly if you don't deal with blizzards, like needing to drive in potentially deep stuff, and you don't winter wheel, and you don't do a lot of mudding, I wouldn't buy any MT. I'd get the Nittos.

Of course that leaves your Alaska problem...depending on how you intend to wheel up there.

May not be one tire that is good for all of that - but if you don't mind a loud tire you might really like the Toyos given they will be extremely smooth, handle the miles well, and do much better than an AT in the mud when you get up north.

I'd hate to put 10K+ miles on a set of Trxus in the summer unless tire wear doesn't bother you. I think I'd want Nittos for the lower 48 for this trip, IROKs once I crossed the border :hillbilly:
 
1loudLX said:
mmuthart thanks for that review, sounds good. I'm going with 285/75/18 as I dont want to have to run spacers on the front to clear the IFS if I go with the 16"rim 35s.
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My bad, I corrected my post, I'm running 315's.
 
Nay, are you saying the Toyo's wont cut AK? I put a good amount of miles on the BFGs driving to CO/NV and back last year and they wore EXTREMELY well.
 
toyo m/t on ice

I live near a ski area and climb about 3000 ft in elevation in about 8 miles, so my road is pretty steep. the Toyo's were acceptable the 1st season, but by the 3rd winter they were like ice skates. I had to move to the BFG AT's and all is good now. I've got goodyear M/T's on my other truck and they do better on ice than the toyo's did.
 
Nay said:
If I had kept the Toyos I would have grooved the outer blocks to make them more flexible and hopefully quieter, and I would have siped the inner treads. Would probably be an outstanding tire at that point if the "quieter" part worked.
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I had the inner blocks siped when I bought my 285/16 Toyo MTs 3 years ago. Just now getting to the point where the siping is starting to disappear so I'll be interested to see if the noise level increases or not...

Frankly, I haven't been bothered by the "noise" of my Toyos so maybe the siping was the ticket...I also have felt the Toyos have done fine in everything but sheer ice. I'm sure the siping has helped but you shouldn't expect a MT tire to perform well on ice. I have been impressed by the wear of the Toyos and the lack of chunking issues I've had even with the siping. I don't have any chunking issues on the Toyos yet a set of GY MTRs that I siped and have seen only about 1/10th of off road use that the Toyos have seen have chunked. I would NOT sipe GY MTRs again.

When I put on Nay's 315s (since he was so kind to sell them to me for a great price :cheers:) I don't plan to sipe them at first and see if I notice any big difference in noise or handling. If I do, I'll sipe the inner blocks on the 315s just like I did on the 285s.

My only real complaint with the Toyos is their weight...They are some heavy suckers and make the LX that much more of a whale. :steer:
 
1loudLX said:
Nay, are you saying the Toyo's wont cut AK? I put a good amount of miles on the BFGs driving to CO/NV and back last year and they wore EXTREMELY well.
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They are not very good mud tires - better of course than an AT, but what does that mean :D

If you want a high wear MT for the miles you will do, I'd say they are a pretty good bet, though. Going to Alaska doesn't mean you are looking at 100 miles of gumbo mud wheeling, so it's all relative I would think.
 
Well we'll (I'll) just have to wait and see how things turn out. Should be installing the Toyos in the morning. I think one thing to consider with road snow driving is the width. A 315 wont be as planted as a 285, which is what I'm getting. Hopefully by the time my next set is needed the 285/75/18 size becomes a little more popular with tire manufactures.

Ya Nay, I put in a general trip path last night and came out to around 13,000 miles not including anything off the main highways which is where the fun will be. I really want to see what our country has to offer next summer as I got to experience a bunch of other countries this past one.
 
60wag said:
Will tire shops sipe a used tire? Would that be a way to improve winter traction on tires that have lost their factory edges?
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I don't see why not Bruce but I also recall reading a thread recently that one shop (might have been Discount Tire) was no longer offering siping :confused:

Of course I haven't called Discount to verify this. But that is where I got my tires siped originally
 
Dont get me wrong The Toyot MT's were great, but my wife drives it and we have 5+ months of icy steep road. The Toyo's were extremely durable and lived through a lot of abuse on sharp rock and were moderately quiet for a mt. Id get them again if i didnt have as much ice to deal with.

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I live near a ski area and climb about 3000 ft in elevation in about 8 miles, so my road is pretty steep. the Toyo's were acceptable the 1st season, but by the 3rd winter they were like ice skates. I had to move to the BFG AT's and all is good now. I've got goodyear M/T's on my other truck and they do better on ice than the toyo's did.
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The Toyos are a great snow tire. I have noticed that when the temps drop to zero, the tires seem to loosen up on ice a bit. Pretty sure all tires do that but it is noticeable that they grip until that point and then start braking loose.
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just thought I'd pop in here with my impressions after getting to do a nice bit of driving in the snow.

I installed 285/75/18s mounted on 2009 Tundra steel wheels back in the first week of december. They look awesome, arent that loud however kind of annoying on really long highway drives. About the snow, a few times we've gotten a little dusting but nothing too crazy to test them well. In those conditions I did not even change my driving pattern and just went around everyone with their flashers on freaking out at the white stuff. We FINALLY got a decent amount today and I've got to say, i'm not impressed while on the other hand not disappointed.

In a straight line they seem to grip just as well as any of the other tires ive had (285/75/16 BFG ATs and the original 275/70/16 LTX M/S) with maybe a touch on the less grip side. However they've got noticeably different handling characteristics compared to the BFGs I had last winter. They seem to want to give a little more when turning, making it more fun for me, scarier for passengers. This of course is all on semi-plowed sorta hard packed roadways.

In deep pow, they definitely are above the previous tires. Not sure however if that is just the nature of a 35" tire over a 33" tire as these are my first set of 35s. I can honestly say I dont feel as comfortable at higher speeds on the thruway as compared to my old BFG All Terrains. That said, I've got no regrets about purchasing them even though I live in a snow-prone area. If I move west and have to do a good amount of highway driving I may pickup a set of skinny 33" snow tires, as everything is more spread out there as compared to my short drives down the street here.



I'm still out on deciding if I would buy them again, as I've only got 6k miles on them but for now I'm happy.

PS: Ive got about 700-1000lbs of extra weight over a stock LX which weighs in at 5.6k lbs
 
1loudLX said:
I've got to say, i'm not impressed while on the other hand not disappointed.
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Try them in a year when the lugs are 10x as hard. :hhmm:
 
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