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It was awesome sitting in my free seats 6 rows up on the 50 yd line, and the game was really good, until they put the damn black QB in that every person in the stadium knew was going to run and we kept sitting in pass coverage anyway. We did that all game and they kept letting him run right to the end.
 
Nice and exciting....if we only could have got a baby sitter!
 
Great game. Or at least the last half was. OT was great. Watching Clemson lose and then going out and shooting fireworks was great. Looking forward to the GA game and to next season with UNC. Now it's on to basketball for me.
 
Thats ok they usually suck, point in case all of todays games have pretty much been blowouts except for UT who choked away their huge lead.


Ahhh....but we won our game and found that 10th win little man!!:bounce: And we did that with half of our staff heading out the door and six starters not there. At least the ACC showed how tough of a conference they are in their bowl games :rolleyes:. Thank goodness for Wake and BC or it would have been really ugly.
 
drinking garnet koolaid

LOL....talk about pumping sunshine. :eek:

After Big Win, Tigers and Gamecocks Take Two Different Paths

BlogSpot News Service
Staff Writer

CLEMSON, SC - The kick sailed through, the clocked turned to :00 and TigerNation screeched with unbelievable relief.
It was the euphoria that comes from postponing the fear that Steve Spurrier, in his third year with an injury-depleted team, was not quite able to embarrass Clemson’s ninth-year coach.
But since the Tigers’ improbable 23-21 comeback, last-second win over the Gamecocks, the two teams seem to have taken different paths.
First, rumors swirled that Tiger head man Tommy Bowden was talking to Arkansas about being a replacement for Houston Nutt, who had departed for Ole Miss. While ESPN reported that there was no guarantee that the Arkansas Board of Trustees would accept Bowden because of questions about his abilities, Clemson Athletic Director Terry Don Phillips hurriedly, if not prematurely, locked championship-less Bowden into $2 million-plus, long-term contract.
At South Carolina, Steve Spurrier sent the message that the Gamecocks’ horrible skid, that included losses to what many would consider inferior opponents in Vanderbilt and Clemson, most likely had to do with a deficiency in his defensive coordinator’s staff. Spurrier’s defensive coordinator was allowed to leave to take the DC job with Nutt at Ole Miss.
At Clemson, the oft-accused villain for Clemson’s inability to rise above football mediocrity, will stay at the school. Offensive Coordinator Rob Spence, the butt an avalanche of criticism after any Clemson loss - most of which come on the few times the Tigers take on any above-average opponent - said he was offered a $100,000-plus annual raise to become OC at Tennessee. Although many media sources reported that Spence turned down the job, there was never any confirmation that he was actually offered the position by the Volunteers.
Meanwhile, Spurrier was successful in his effort to lure former Georgia DC Brian VanGorder to Columbia. VanGorder’s credentials are impeccable and even more important, he has coached in the Southeastern Conference’s Eastern Division, and he knows that he will be facing the toughest slate of opponets in the country. Still, he gladly accepted that challenge.
In addition to VanGorder, the Gamecocks were able to snag Maryland Special Teams Coach Ray Rychleski, one of the best in the nation. Ironically, without a blocked punt, South Carolina likely would have ended the season with a victory over Clemson and been in a bowl game.
Aside from the coaching murkiness at Clemson and triumphs at South Carolina, player personnel has become an issue at both schools. As if the administration was sending a message to Bowden, three of his starters were banned from the Peach Bowl. The player dismissals came after Bowden attacked the Clemson University administration (in February) when some of his recruits, who likely would not have been cleared for enrollment by the NCAA, were denied by the university.
At South Carolina, University President Andrew Sorensen announced his resignation. Sorensen drew sharp criticism from Spurrier in August for the last-minute denial of NCAA-approved recruits.
In other personnel-related developments, Bowden, who often uses faith to gain an advantage with recruits and their families, allowed Courtney Vincent to play in the Peach Bowl after the player was arrested for Driving Under the Influence just days earlier. That move came after Bowden learned of the academically ineligible players. To add insult to injury, despite Bowden’s choice to forgo discipline of Vincent, the Tigers loss the bowl game 23-20.
The bowl loss was crucial because of the fact that Clemson was favored and Auburn was having what many feel to be a down year. Before the loss, Clemson supporters in the media expressed opinions that the Tigers’ assumed 10th win (over Auburn) would beckon back the memories of Clemson icon Danny Ford. Even though, Clemson Head Coach Ken Hatfield won 10 games at Clemson after Ford’s departure. The loss only served to increase the size of the already large monkey on Bowden’s back as he enters 2008.
Also related to personnel developments, James Davis, the key player in Clemson’s offense, has announced that he will turn pro and not return to Clemson. Tiger fans, who on queue from Bowden are accustomed to the belief that ballyhooed recruits can replace their greatest performers and surpass them, may learn the hard way of Davis’ unique talent and value to the team.
Still, Bowden has managed to set up such a non-competitive host of opponents to supplement an already laughably weak slate of Atlantic Coast Conference foes, Davis’ departure will likely have less affect than it would if the Tigers’ schedule offered a more legitimate challenge.
Besides Davis, in a sign of possible no-confidence, other players are mulling a departure from Clemson. And any one of them leaving will be harmful to the already underachieving Tigers’ chances in 2008.
At South Carolina, Jasper Brinkley, one of the top linebackers in the country, is returning for his senior year as is Wide Receiver Kenny McKinley, also one of the top players in the country.
While Gamecock fans were left to sulk after a late-season defensive collapse, changes are being made and there is a lot of reality based optimism among the GamecockNation.
And while Clemson fans have a long history of being able to overlook serious off-season blows to their program, logic says 2008 could be a difficult one for the Tigers.
If the post-November developments at Clemson and South Carolina are any indication, Gamecock fans have a lot to look forward to. At Clemson, Tiger fans need to try to not think about the long-term deals their athletic director has given to their coaches, who have underachieved to this point.
It is truly a tale of two decidedly different directions.
 
Thats far to much long winded shamecock jibberish for me to read. You sat on your couch and watched us play in a bowl game plain and simple. Meanwhile we are stocking up a huge recruiting class including the #1 player in the country according to ESPN. Were just rolling along David while shamecock nation can barely walk without tripping over Steve Spurriers big mouth.
 
more jibberish

Barf Wrong...he's at it again :grinpimp:
25 Record Reply
January 09, 2008:
Tommy Bowden's Top 25 record revealing
If the prospect of retaining defensive end Phil Merling and running back James Davis had anything to do with Clemson University's decision to extend the contract of coach Tommy Bowden, indications that those players will be leaving for the NFL draft may have a put a lump in the throat of athletic department adminstrators.

Should wide receiver Aaron Kelly make a similar decision by next week's deadline, the outlook for 2008 will dim considerably.

The issue at Clemson since Bowden has been coaching there is that the team hasn't been able to move from its good-but-not-great status, and losing those two won't be beneficial in changing that status.

At the end of a 9-4 season that included an 0-3 record against Top 25 teams, the Tigers have fallen to 7-27 against Top 25 teams since Bowden arrived, which reveals much about the program.

For instance, the 7-27 record is hard evidence that Clemson is not one play or one game away from reaching "the next level" that Bowden so frequently mentions. You don't identify your program as one of the elites when you win only 20 percent of your games against those teams.

What's a good record against Top 25 competition? In his time at Clemson, Danny Ford teams were 12-13-1, which is probably a decent record against the best teams in the country.

Unless someone wants to go through all 119 schools and research every game played against Top 25 competition over the last decade, my hunch is going to be that a break-even record against the Top 25 is about as good as one should reasonably expect. A team in the Top 25 would do well to win half its games against that level.

Fifty percent, give or take, is one thing. Twenty percent is something completely different.

If two or three of Clemson's top players eligible to return next season bail out, it might also be an indication that even they don't sense turning the corner is just ahead.

Posted by Bart Wright at 09:23 AM |
 
Dont even bring up Clemson's record vs the top 25 under Bowden because USC's in the same 9 years is substsantially worse. USC plays more ranked teams a yr and loses to all of them. I'm not gonna go back and count but I'd bet its well under 20%.
 
Dont even bring up Clemson's record vs the top 25 under Bowden because USC's in the same 9 years is substsantially worse. USC plays more ranked teams a yr and loses to all of them. I'm not gonna go back and count but I'd bet its well under 20%.

I think this past season you'll find USC beat some top 20 teams. :grinpimp:
Thing is we gamecock fans understand the football team isn't a worldbeater.
If you check my post before the first game I said they would struggle to win more than they lost.
It is the CU belief that they are 1 play, 1 point etc from being Champions that
others find so amusing.
Face it. CU is NOT an elite program except in the deluded minds of their fanbase...
and Bowden. :grinpimp:
 
Were a top 25 program and have been pretty consistently since the late 70's. Thats not elite but we do expect to stay in that position at the very least. The difference between a Clemson fan and a USC fan is you accept mediocrity and we dont. The first thing you need is fans who expect a quality product, who fill the seats, who stay through the whole game, etc. Until OBC got there that was lacking in Cola, if nothing else he raised expectations maybe he'll eventually raise the level of play beyond 6-6 and 4th or 5th place in your half of the conference.
 
Were a top 25 program and have been pretty consistently since the late 70's. Thats not elite but we do expect to stay in that position at the very least. The difference between a Clemson fan and a USC fan is you accept mediocrity and we dont. The first thing you need is fans who expect a quality product, who fill the seats, who stay through the whole game, etc. Until OBC got there that was lacking in Cola, if nothing else he raised expectations maybe he'll eventually raise the level of play beyond 6-6 and 4th or 5th place in your half of the conference.

He is 69-42. That's not saying much in the nine years he has been at CU. He has been nothing but average since he started. If thats not mediocrity I don't know what is. If he has a losing season next year what the heck are yall going to do. You just signed him for 5 more years.

Clemson deserves better than him. I don't think a national championship will come out of him.
 
We have finished ranked 4 of his 9 years, and in that same time UNC and USC combined dont have 69 wins so clearly you both understand good football. :flipoff2: I never said he was gonna win a national championship I'd be surprised if he ever did but he can make us and keep us at a 9+ win mark every yr I think.
 
If CU can't win 9 or 10 games EVERY year with that lame schedule
it would be a shocker. Wasn't CU favored in EVERY game this year?
Did CU beat a team with a winning record?
I think CU's strength of schedule was around the 60 mark this year.
USC's was in the top 10. BIG difference.
When CU wins the EZZ come talk about doing something.
Heck just win your division before another decade passes ya'll by.
For a fan base that EXPECTS great things ya'll sure ain't getting there.
 
We hammered 9-4 WF, beat FSU who finished 7-6, obliterated Central Michigan who was 8-6, and I guess we'll count the lamecocks at 6-6, Maryland was also 6-6 until they lost their bowl game.

USC had the #3 Clemson had the #39 first SOS listing I found. We can't help it we have to play certain teams that regularly suck like Duke that would kill anyones SOS. We played 4 teams that were ranked at the time though, thats not bad, USC only played 4 or 5 who were ranked at the time.
 
Better times are sure to be on the horizon for both squads.
LOL...they can't get much worse for USC...that's for sure.
I always wish the Tigers the best of luck and I've said many times
I'd like to see them undefeated and ACC Champs when we get 'em in late
November.
Recruiting is going well for CU this year so maybe Tommy can get over the
hump next season.
Hopefully the great crop SOS harvested last year will bear some fruit next year.
Hehe...the Gamecock lament...."wait'll next year". :)
 
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