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[dohcdelsol93]

If kentucky and vandy can put up a fight against Florida I'm willing to bet S.Car can do the same


And if Garcia can throw 300 yds in a loss how do much do you think it would open up his game if the team did have a running game?

IMO it's much harder to be successful when your team is one dimensional than it is when you have a run and air game.

If they had a run game the play book would be blown open, more screen passes, PA, and so on.

If you know the air ball is coming it's easier to call the coverage.

If you can run the ball you get the corners and backers in alot tighter and you'll get alot more deep balls.

Again...if Garcia was on a team with all cylinders firing he would be having way more success this season.

as for Vandy and Kentucky...your just looking at wins and losses, have you watched either of those teams play? The offense is lacking on both teams but both have stellar D's. Kentucky gave Florida a run for their money.

And Florida is not the high scoring juggernaut they were last season...am i the only one who sees that? They have a D that plays a near perfect game every saturday. That is why they are winning games...they are close games but a win is a win.

What S.Car needs to do is play like they have nothing to lose and play that way from start to finish. The S.Car D is good enough to keep it a low scoring affair.

They will not be able to find a run game against UF...that is no question, they will need to use all their recievers and some well timed garcia run plays to keep UF on their toes.

If they can open up the passing game and get more double coverage on Gurly and Jefferies that will open up some running room for Miles and Giles. Even if it's on only short yardage it 's enough to help keep superman on the bench.

If S.Car can keep the O line from making a crap load of false starts and holding penalties I think they could pull off an upset.

How many times have you guys seen S.Car get to the 30yd line and then get 2 costly penalties and force a punt from the 40? A whole lot more than we should be seeing.

 

[dohcdelsol93]

and i forgot about florida atl. this season....but still not the cup cake scheduel that Clemsux has every year.

How long ago was it that Clemson lost to the scrub team of the SEC Kentucky....not that many bowl games ago was it?


I can't explain why S.Car has such a hard time against Clemson every year. It makes no sense. We have had much better teams, just seems that they come in and beat themselves. I really hope this whole "new carolina" thing sticks and works for Mo and the rest of the s.car squad.

 

[BELMONT148]

You must have forgot about SC State as well.

I get tired of hearing about the strength of schedule crap. It just proves that USC couldn't even hack it in the "cupcake" ACC if they can't even beat Clemson every year.

Jeremy

 

[dohcdelsol93]

I didn't forget SC state in my first post.

If your an ACC fan I'm sure you wouldn't care about stregenth of scheduel....however if your and SEC fan it means alot. There is a reason an SEC school with a loss would go to the NC game before an ACC team that is undefeated.

ACC is known for basketball. SEC is for football.

The ACC Gamecocks were mostly before my time, i think it's really just a rivalry thing that has gotten in so deep that they expect to lose every year.

Whatever the case is Spurrier said it best when he said he couldn't see why S.Car has such a bad record against Clemson.


S.Car could come into the game undefeated and i would still be nervous with them playing an winless clemson team...and can't figure out why.

Clemson is more of a football school than S.Car. For an ACC school they expect alot from their football team.

S.Car is does not have that football culture, being 6-6 is fine for most of that administration and alumni. I feel that that mentality has run over on the field to the coaching staff and players over the years and has stuck. You can't say they are not competitive on the SEC level. Bama barely got by S.car, Georgia barely got by S.Car.

 

[BillWright]

if the Cocks beat Florida this sat who's going to help me riot downtown?

I'd love to but I'd be too busy checking out the parallel universe I must have slipped off into.

 

[dohcdelsol93]

i guess i'll riot by myself!

 

[clemson55]

as for Vandy and Kentucky...your just looking at wins and losses, have you watched either of those teams play? The offense is lacking on both teams but both have stellar D's. Kentucky gave Florida a run for their money.

I did watch the game clearly you didn't Kentucky got handed multiple turnovers by a Fla team who played terrible. Played terrible and still won, that was probably the worst game Fla played all yr.

I can't explain why S.Car has such a hard time against Clemson every year. It makes no sense. We have had much better teams

You haven't brought a better team to the field since the 9-3 year under Lou Holtz and we all know how great he was against Clemson, 1-5 if I'm not mistaken. If you think you have brought a better team any year since then you are absolutely delusional, Clemson has outrecruited USuC every yr, sent more guys to the NFL, and won more games that entire time, there is no meaurable statistic that would say USuC is better during that time period.

i guess i'll riot by myself!

Those people in your dream world better watch out, theres one hell of a riot coming.

And just in case you think the Old Ball Sack is still relevant in the world of college coaching heres an article to crush that too. http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/10353770/Sorry-Spurrier,-but-you're-irrelevant-now

 

[Gundy]

Clemson has outrecruited USuC every yr, sent more guys to the NFL, and won more games that entire time,

I'm calling BS. CU has won more games but as to the rest of this statement....BS.

 

[dohcdelsol93]

sorry bro but clemson has yet to prove they are a better team year in and year out than S.Car

Clemson would not hack it in the SEC...that is why i question why S.Car cannot beat them every year. They play harder opponets pretty much game in and game out, a much harder scheduel and beat much better opponets.

The HBC is far from being washed up, some bad decisions have been made, the talent has been hard to get. Before Spurrier took over as HBC how many ESPN games did S.Car spotlight on national tv or ESPN?

He has pulled more publiciity and talent to S.Car than any coach has in a LONG time. Granted alot of his spotlight talent has been on the D side of the ball.

The only talent areas he lacks are on the lines and those are being addressed hard right now and that is one aspect of the new OL coach that i really like.

We will have some big true freshmen on the lines of both sides of the ball next year.

You keep questioning Garcias talent so i'm questioning your knowlege of football. Your O and D lines make or break your team...if you dont have success at the line of scrimmage you have a really hard time being successful at anything esle.

Garcia is 2nd in passing (57% comp) in the SEC with the SEC's WORST offensive line. The D is (2nd or 3rd) in overall D in the SEC with a very small D line and the size makes them weak on agaisnt the run and pass rush

The talent is definately there, it's just lackingon the lines.


Kentucky did captiolize on florida turnovers, but S.Car has a much better D than Kentucky.

Kentucky has a better run game than S.Car but we have much bigger recievers (and a depth of big/strong recievers) and a much better air game.

S.Car can take Florida, they have in recent years and always put up a really great fight against florida, usually a TD difference in the final score. S.Car will just have to play the best game of their season and capitolize on the mistakes the other team gives them.

With both teams you have a O that relys on the D to carry them. Granted Superman has had much better luck getting the job done when it's crunch time but he's also had much more experience as the starter QB than Garcia.

People seem to forget that this is the first full season that Garcia has started and he kinda spent the entire last season learning as he went. (play books are not as easy to memorize as alot of fans make them out to be)

 

[clemson55]

I'm calling BS. CU has won more games but as to the rest of this statement....BS.

The first time USuC outrecruited Clemson was this past yr David and thats only because we changed coaches and only brought in 13 players.

I'm sure we can look up the drafted players, don't really have time for that at work though. But I'm confident in that statement.

 

[BELMONT148]

Enough talk about the Cockadoodle birds, lets talk BCS.

Now I know the BCS's main or only purpose is to put the #1 & #2 teams together, but who else thinks Clemson should be ranked higher or atleast amongst the #21 VT and #23 Oregon State? Only thing I can think of is our embarassing loss to Maryland really hurt us compared to those 2 teams.

Speaking of Gamecocks, there goes that damn rooster crow again. 9, 12, and 5 gotta love it. Not!

Jeremy

 

[clemson55]

sorry bro but clemson has yet to prove they are a better team year in and year out than S.Car

Yes winning more games every yr and beating USuC the majority of those yrs isn't proof of being better, great logic there.

S.Car can take Florida, they have in recent years and always put up a really great fight against florida, usually a TD difference in the final score.

You have lost the last 2 gams by a score of 103-37 thats not putting up a great fight and thats not keeping it within a touchdown. Wake up and smell your own ass because Fla has kicked it so hard its right under your chin.

 

[clemson55]

Enough talk about the Cockadoodle birds, lets talk BCS.

Now I know the BCS's main or only purpose is to put the #1 & #2 teams together, but who else thinks Clemson should be ranked higher or atleast amongst the #21 VT and #23 Okl. State? Only thing I can think of is our embarassing loss to Maryland really hurt us compared to those 2 teams.

Speaking of Gamecocks, there goes that damn rooster crow again. 9, 12, and 5 gotta love it. Not!

Jeremy

We shouldn't be higher, that Maryland loss is just to bad they are one of the 30 worst teams in college football right now, they are so bad that loss just destroys everything as far as rankings go. If we played them tomorrow we'd win by 40, but we blew it when we had the chance. 7-2 with the loses to TCU and GT and We'd be one of the highest ranked 7-2 teams but at 6-3 with the Maryland loss we don't deserve to be in there.

 

[Gundy]

The first time USuC outrecruited Clemson was this past yr David and thats only because we changed coaches and only brought in 13 players.

I'm sure we can look up the drafted players, don't really have time for that at work though. But I'm confident in that statement.

Not so fast my friend. Don't make me pull up stats on you.
Delusional CU talk is in high gear. Or is this just hyperbole?


Look, I told you CU would win 8 or 9 games this year. It is the ACC.
I said USC would struggle to win more than they lose. It is the SEC.
CU would fare no better in the SEC than USC.
I don't think CU has a winning record against ANY SEC team save the po ol Lamecocks.

 

[dohcdelsol93]

so clemson usually wins 1-2 more games than S.Car every season in a much weaker conference with a much weaker scheduel....how does that make Clemsux a better football team?

and clemson isn't ranked higher because of quality wins...

and most years i agree the BCS is crap.

although i do really look forward to seeing Florida and Texas play this year.

Florida is lucky Bama has yet to find an air game to go with that running attack.

Anyone else think Smelly will end in the football program this summer?

 

[dohcdelsol93]

an speaking of S.Car players going pro...s.car is hurting this season because of so many players going pro instead of returning...has happened the past two years.

I don't know the stats off hand but i think your really underestimating just how many NFL players have come through S.Car.

 

[smittycrusher]

According to ESPN:

Clemson - 16 players currently in NFL

S.Car - 20 players currently in NFL

GT - 21 players currently in NFL ;p

smitty

 

[steenh]

As long as we are comparing... here's the top 8. Only the top 2 really matter though. We could use a few of them back this year.

Miami - 55
Georgia - 54
LSU - 50
Michigan - 50
Ohio State - 47
Florida - 43
USC - 42
FSU - 42

 

[smittycrusher]

I knew we would be hearing from you Steen. I guess this is one of those stats that makes UGA fans pile even more on Richt & Co. It certainly is not because the talent hasn't been there.
Smitty

 

[clemson55]

Proof that we would fair better then USC in the SEC, numbers don't lie thats 7 more wins for every hundred which would work out to just less then 1 win per yr better with the way schedules are now, about 8 wins per decade.

Clemsons overall record vs the current SEC 104-154-13 or a .38 win percentage

USuC's overall record vs the current SEC 73-151-8 or a .31 win percentage thats without even counting all the beating from Clemson since were not in the SEC.

And everyone is sick of this argument that the SEC is so much better. USuC left the ACC where they never won anything to go to the SEC where they haven't won anything. So if being in the SEC is your excuse then its also your own fault. If your so great and the ACC is so weak then why didn't you win anything before you left? And why didn't you stay and win something now? You couldn't and you can't.