Rear Side Lift Up Windows by LandCruiserPhil & MNIMarketPlace

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jcardona1 said:
Why do you think I don't sell anything here?
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Dude, you have some great ideas and your skills keep getting better and better. I would have figured you would have reached a point where you say "wow this is a lot of work to get it right and maybe it's worth the price people ask for it".

I understand the joys of doing it yourself. But I reach a point where I realize it's not worth me spending 30 hours in something someone else has figured out and I might spend $500. That equates to $16/hr. If that's your gross pay then I can understand your stance. But at that rate I'm not doing it. My time is better spent doing any number of things where my value is greater than $16/hr.
 
Redoing your sliding windows, even at MUD parts pricing would easily come close to $600.... Not including any metal repair underneath.

These two at about $900 makes sense to me.

A real winch is $800-$1200 (not your junky Chinese specials).

A real bumper is $1200.

A real rear bumper is $1500-2000.

I'd prefer to support a MUD member with a small production bespoke product over any other option. Period.
 
NLXTACY said:
Dude, you have some great ideas and your skills keep getting better and better. I would have figured you would have reached a point where you say "wow this is a lot of work to get it right and maybe it's worth the price people ask for it".

I understand the joys of doing it yourself. But I reach a point where I realize it's not worth me spending 30 hours in something someone else has figured out and I might spend $500. That equates to $16/hr. If that's your gross pay then I can understand your stance. But at that rate I'm not doing it. My time is better spent doing any number of things where my value is greater than $16/hr.
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That's the point I was trying to make when I said it's why I don't sell anything here. I know firsthand how many hours go into a product. But I also don't think it's realistic to expect to recover all that time and be earn a nice profit (most small business owners will tell you it just doesn't work out that way unfortunately). I build stuff for my own rig because I enjoy it. I don't build anything to sell because I know people won't pay enough to make it worth my time, at least most people wont. Especially not from a forum.
 
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@jcardona1 Ok, so you understand what goes into a product? Then why make an disparaging remarks for someone who HAS taken the time to honor the 80s crowd with cool new products so that it keeps the interest alive in these vehicles. You want to make cool stuff and keep it all to yourself because now you are saying you are over-valuing your abilities and you won't get enough for it. So why even make the comment about these projects? Respect other people's time as much as you cherish your own.
 
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He asked for people's thoughts and that's what jcardona gave. Sheesh. People get so butt hurt in here. :deadhorse:
 
I like the simplicity of the design and that someone can easily go back to stock sliding window if they want. How are you thinking you will finish your own aluminum panels?
 
NLXTACY said:
@jcardona1 Ok, so you understand what goes into a product? Then why make an disparaging remarks for someone who HAS taken the time to honor the 80S crowd with cool new products so that it keeps the interest alive in these vehicles. You want to make cool stuff and keep it all to yourself because now you are saying you are over-valuing your abilities and you won't get enough for it. So why even make the comment about these projects? Respect other people's time as much as you cherish your own.
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Guarantee you I'm not the only one thinking this. Nobody wants to say it for fear of backlash. I don't see what's disrespectful about saying you think something is priced too high. If a business owner can't handle that sort of feedback they have no business being in business, I'm sorry. I doubt Phil cares what I think or don't think about his product because he already knows I'm not a potential customer.
 
Odd that a fellow with this mindset would own and lavish an enormous ammount of time and energy on a vehicle sprung from the mould he holds in contempt.
 
OGBeno said:
Redoing your sliding windows, even at MUD parts pricing would easily come close to $600.... Not including any metal repair underneath.

These two at about $900 makes sense to me.

A real winch is $800-$1200 (not your junky Chinese specials).

A real bumper is $1200.

A real rear bumper is $1500-2000.

I'd prefer to support a MUD member with a small production bespoke product over any other option. Period.
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Good point Onur... I have some parts I need to return :D
 
cruiserdan said:
Odd that a fellow with this mindset would own and lavish an enormous ammount of time and energy on a vehicle sprung from the mould he holds in contempt.
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Such deep. So poetry.

I'll shut up now since I'm losing e-points. I'm anxious to see how many will put their money where their mouth is and actually buy a pair. In the meantime I'll go fondle the Hellfire knuckles I just bought which ironically cost the same as these sheets of aluminum.
 
I think we should all not lose sight on the fact that companies are closing constantly. Many that directly support our passions and even some that directly affect our 80 series. We should collectively promote everyone's efforts in bettering their experience with their chosen hobby. This means constructive criticism.

Help people wanting to make stuff for our trucks. Don't push them away. What BENO said is spot on.

Those that are on the fence on showcasing what they've done for themselves and what they propose for others see some of the posts in these threads and they think, "no way in hell am I'm posting, showcasing or introducing".

I'm pretty sure that's not what the black hand intended.
 
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jcardona1 said:
Such deep. So poetry.

I'll shut up now since I'm losing e-points. I'm anxious to see how many will put their money where their mouth is and actually buy a pair. In the meantime I'll go fondle the Hellfire knuckles I just bought which ironically cost the same as these sheets of aluminum.
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Is that how you equate value? Comparing one thing directly to another even though the only thing relative is it bolts into the truck? That same money can feed 28 families in Guatamala for a month. It can pay one month of my AC bill in July. It can get me two nights at a suite in Vegas. Etc etc
 
LandCruiserPhil said:
My rod does not attach given the ability to adjust depending on awning. Looking at the awning angle from last weekend I not sure I would even want the window open at all.

a quick estimate came up with parts around $60

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very cool dog...Australian Cattle dog?
 
I blame that respectful Germanic upbringing......:lol:
 
Phil,
Your product looks like it is a well thought out solution for those of us in the market for flip up rear quarter windows. I am definately going to be a buyer of one of the options now on the market or soon to be released.

Can you share any more details on how the hinge is attached to the truck. Also what is the thickness of the Aluminium you are using.

I don't know if this would add significant expense to the design, but having struts that could be easily disconnected in the event you want to open the window more than the struts allow and get them out of the way, would give us the best of both worlds. Your simple manual rod for when struts would be,annoying/in the way and struts for when you want to just flip the latch and have the window stay open.

Also, would you consider offering your panels already powdercoated?
 
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