the cage specter used to sell. i've got one in the green piggie too. need to cage it to the front and to the frame tho. and doesn't go all the way back, only halfway back the cargo area
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the cage specter used to sell. i've got one in the green piggie too. need to cage it to the front and to the frame tho. and doesn't go all the way back, only halfway back the cargo area
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tailgate key
Got everything together and then decided to get the tail gate key to work before the window goes in. It's never worked since I have owned it.
There are four wires back there
blue/white and blue/black- I imagine for the up and down
white/black- the ground
solid blue- I imagine that it is the power when there is no key in the ignition. Thinking that it should always be hot to be able to power the tailgate key...?
Any hints? Where does it attach under the dash? This is my project tomorow.
Got everything together and then decided to get the tail gate key to work before the window goes in. It's never worked since I have owned it.
There are four wires back there
blue/white and blue/black- I imagine for the up and down
white/black- the ground
solid blue- I imagine that it is the power when there is no key in the ignition. Thinking that it should always be hot to be able to power the tailgate key...?
Any hints? Where does it attach under the dash? This is my project tomorow.
Yes it's always hot. Big blue wire runs up above the steering column and mounts to a circuit breaker on top of the steering column suports. Up under the dash. It's really hard to get to. It connects to the battery not the fuse box (thus the circuit breaker). Oh, also the up/down switch is wired in there. I hope that description makes sense.
That wire carries a lot of juice. Check all connections and condition of the wire. Replacement breakers can be had at any chain parts store. I used a 40 amp with a mounting tab. Couldn't find what amp rating Toyota called for.
That wire carries a lot of juice. Check all connections and condition of the wire. Replacement breakers can be had at any chain parts store. I used a 40 amp with a mounting tab. Couldn't find what amp rating Toyota called for.
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Thank you. I'm gonna get it tomorow! 
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I am pretty sure that this is the relay. Is there a way I can test this thing. SOR has used ones, but they cost $45
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.Are you still talking about the rear window wiring? There is no relay for that, only a circuit breaker. The breaker is about the size of a quarter, only square in shape.
The po of my rig had removed the breaker from the circuit and spliced the big blue wire together with a crimp connector. If yours is missing there will be a small hole on top of the steering column support bracket where the breaker was attached.
The po of my rig had removed the breaker from the circuit and spliced the big blue wire together with a crimp connector. If yours is missing there will be a small hole on top of the steering column support bracket where the breaker was attached.
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So that relay that attaches to the steering support column works the switch that is at the dash board, not the key switch that works at the tailgate. By the way I figured out how to test the relay and mine works- yeah.
Is it safe to make the assumption that the tail gate key switch is meant to be opperated when the keys are out of the ignition? If so then where does the solid blue wire run to give juice to the key switch?
Dashboard switch has blue/black and blue/white powered by solid blue, which comes from the relay mounted to the side off the column support. Those bblack and bwhite run all the way back to the tailgate. So that line has a relay to manage it.
Now there is a solid blue that runs all the way back to the tailgate from up front as well, which must power the key switch. From the key switch there are a bblack and bwhite. Since there is a relay for the dash switch there must be a relay for the key switch as well, right? One relay can't work both switches being that one is used when the keys are in the ignition and one is used when you are out at the back of the car.
Is it safe to make the assumption that the tail gate key switch is meant to be opperated when the keys are out of the ignition? If so then where does the solid blue wire run to give juice to the key switch?
Dashboard switch has blue/black and blue/white powered by solid blue, which comes from the relay mounted to the side off the column support. Those bblack and bwhite run all the way back to the tailgate. So that line has a relay to manage it.
Now there is a solid blue that runs all the way back to the tailgate from up front as well, which must power the key switch. From the key switch there are a bblack and bwhite. Since there is a relay for the dash switch there must be a relay for the key switch as well, right? One relay can't work both switches being that one is used when the keys are in the ignition and one is used when you are out at the back of the car.
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So there is a relay on the passenger side of the side of the column supports. There is also a little square thing like a fuse on the driverside of the column supports- blue/red on one side solid blue on the other. Is there another on top where the dash switch is literaly mounted to the dash, or on top of the column supports?
Thanks for the help. I just can't put this back together without the key switch working!!!
Thanks for the help. I just can't put this back together without the key switch working!!!
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is this a circuit breaker. I took it apart and it seems to be fine. Power goes in and goes out
Yes that's the circuit breaker. The breaker protects the entire tailgate circuit including the tailgate key switch. The up/down dash switch should work with the ignition off as does the tailgate key switch. Make sure the tailgate safety switch is working. When the tailgate is closed it depresses a button on the switch, which is mounted to the tailgate frame, and makes a ground to prevent the window from operating when the tailgate is open.
The power for the tailgate circuit runs directly from the alternator (battery) and supplies power to the relay. The relay does not supply power to the tailgate circuit. Think of this circuit as a totally independent circuit from the rest of the truck.
The power for the tailgate circuit runs directly from the alternator (battery) and supplies power to the relay. The relay does not supply power to the tailgate circuit. Think of this circuit as a totally independent circuit from the rest of the truck.
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Wierd! The dash switch only works when the key is on. The relay has three wires to it- the heavy blue and a thin green and red that I think goes to the ignition.
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It looks like it is the original the way it goes into the harness, but thank you. It would have taken me that much longer to get closer. When I figure it out I'll post.
I wonder if I post tooo much
I wonder if I post tooo much
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got any ideas about the key switch?
There should be power to the key switch all the time. If there is no power then there is a break between the switch and the circuit breaker. You have power at the breaker, right?
The way it works is the key switch completes the circuit allowing power to pass through the motor, through the (closed) tailgate safety switch, to ground. Ground connections are always the weak link in automotive wireing.
Power for this system originates at the alternator and feeds the breaker. This wire has a Y that that provides juice to a 20 amp fuse at the box. A change in the wireing may have been made under the hood.
The way it works is the key switch completes the circuit allowing power to pass through the motor, through the (closed) tailgate safety switch, to ground. Ground connections are always the weak link in automotive wireing.
Power for this system originates at the alternator and feeds the breaker. This wire has a Y that that provides juice to a 20 amp fuse at the box. A change in the wireing may have been made under the hood.
It is usually a bad ground. Most often from the safety switch at the tailgate....
Sometimes, it's a bad connection at the little fiberboard panel inside the tailgate. I like to take a spare 12volt battery into the back of the Pig, and use some jumper wires to figure out what works and what doesn't.
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The switch at the dash board works, so would it be right in thinking that the ground is good? When I put a tester to the solid blue which should power the key switch there seems to be no power, leading me to believe that there is something foward of the tailgate. Under the dash passenger side where the it runs back there is a solid blue, bblack, and bwhite. and when I hit the dash switch I get power on the bblack and bwhite, but the soild blue which should constant power is not lighting my tester. So atleast I won't have to search the line back to the tailgate, but it does take me under the driverside dash. I think my hands are too big for working under there.
It strikes me as peculiar that they have a relay for the dash switch, but none for the rear switch?
It strikes me as peculiar that they have a relay for the dash switch, but none for the rear switch?
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Found it!
twice. After a thorough going over under the dash decided that all was good there. Started testing the wire back good on the passenger front seat. Moved to the back seat where I waisted a good 45 min due to a bad ground on my tester
. then moved back to the rear quarter to find the Slice! Stoked! Fixed it. Still no power to the tailgate strip. Kept moving on to under where the wire exits to cross over to the tailgate insert. Boom! Another little slice. Now I have the power to that rear strip!
Tomorrow I will test the key switch and if it works I could possibly close. Of coarse I will have to put my dash back together and assemble the rear window and tighten down the roll bar and put in the outside weather stripping and whatever else comes up, but that'll be it.
We'll see. Already planning my next project.
twice. After a thorough going over under the dash decided that all was good there. Started testing the wire back good on the passenger front seat. Moved to the back seat where I waisted a good 45 min due to a bad ground on my tester. then moved back to the rear quarter to find the Slice! Stoked! Fixed it. Still no power to the tailgate strip. Kept moving on to under where the wire exits to cross over to the tailgate insert. Boom! Another little slice. Now I have the power to that rear strip! Tomorrow I will test the key switch and if it works I could possibly close. Of coarse I will have to put my dash back together and assemble the rear window and tighten down the roll bar and put in the outside weather stripping and whatever else comes up, but that'll be it.
We'll see. Already planning my next project.