Not really. The Cruiser has never been about technological prowess or modernization. Sounds like you need to educate yourself on what a Cruiser is and what it’s intended market is.
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Not really. The Cruiser has never been about technological prowess or modernization. Sounds like you need to educate yourself on what a Cruiser is and what it’s intended market is.
No need to throw shade here. It is not a ridiculous notion that a $90-100k luxury SUV sold new in the US in 2020 should have more logical and useful features like @ERC4 mentioned. We all know what the Cruiser is or we wouldn't be here. I don't know many people who are more of a Land Cruiser cheerleader than I am, but I find it a bit weak Toyota hasn't refreshed the 200 more thoroughly in it's incredibly long life. Why should the tenets of a Land Cruiser and modern features be mutually exclusive? The 200 was extremely advanced for its time in 2008 (how many other vehicles offered 4 zone climate control with rear heated seats for example back then?), but Toyota has shown complacency and maybe even laziness by only updating their flagship vehicle with trivial features over a 13+ year life span.
The reality is all Toyota 4x4s are far behind the competition today as it relates to modern features. The 4runner for example is using an engine and transmission that's been around for essentially 2 decades with little change, and it's slow, not very refined, and gets poor mpg in today's world. They continue to sell well however, so Toyota hasn't "fixed what isn't broke". I'd argue if they don't have a long term strategy that not only brings them in line with competition but surpasses it, they will regret resting on their QDR reputation.
So you are the Gatekeeper for who should buy a Land Cruiser and what it's actual intended for? Maybe you should be at Toyota dealers quizzing buyers......
No. Buying something and then complaining about its lack of features doesn’t make any sense.
Buying something and then criticizing and noting it's shortcomings is perfectly normal. Gatekeeping who should own one then getting upset when someone points shortcomings and criticizes aspects of the truck is not normal behavior, it's cultish and childish behavior. It's fine to point out faults, no one here is bashing LCs/LXs. They are not perfect, stop acting as if this is a personnel affront to your existence.
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That is a ridiculous thing to say and incredibly rude. You sound like the people on the Jeep and Tacoma forums.
My understanding was Toyota’s generally weak representation with regard to tech fit into their overall conservative design philosophy. They want to MAKE SURE something is reliable and worth investing in before they implement it. This means they are perpetually behind the curve, but I personally think this pays off in electronics that seem to hold up better than most manufacturers. As someone that will likely not be buying a new landcruiser any time soon, this works well for me.
But with regard to a large part of that high sticker price going to the underlying quality vs the tech development.. how many $80k fords could they sell without CarPlay?
Either way we are straying far from the OPs initial questions.
But with regard to a large part of that high sticker price going to the underlying quality vs the tech development.. how many $80k fords could they sell without CarPlay?
Either way we are straying far from the OPs initial questions.
Maybe it's different for you guys in the USA but here in Aus the LC200 accelerated its sales when they facelifted it and put in a bunch more technology.. Folks here are expecting more for their money and that includes those who enjoy taking their cars offroad. It's a bit disingenous to act as if all LC owners want it to be hardcore and featureless.. in the end it's different strokes for different folks.
It is strange that there is not a perfect vehicle out there...one that is built like our 200 yet have latest and greatest techs. It almost seems like there is a finite amount of R&D dollars floating around and manufacturers have pick and choose what they focus on.
I can't imagine it would cost much to stick a decent infotainment system in the 200, other Toyotas have updated systems. I am sure they some reason for not doing it in the LC but it is totally inexcusable in the LX. I bought a 7 year old LX, any system would be outdated. But if I was dropping 100K on a new LX I wouldn't be happy with the infotainment system.
The number of these that they sell doesn't justify developing a new infotainment system, or they would do it. Especially with the 300 on the horizon. Plus it isn't shared with any other models. In a way this is a "problem" with these trucks being built to such a different (higher) standard. More complex parts can't just be moved over from other models if those weren't developed with the same durability expectations.
I don't buy it. It can't be that hard or expensive to stick in a decent entertainment system that Toyota has already developed and deployed in other models. I mean if I can have the same Cruise Control switch, light and wiper controls in my LX that I had in my Sienna then I can have the same entertainment system.
Right? Imagine spending $100,000 in 2020 and getting:
- bad infotainment, no carplay
- 13mpg
- old school gauge cluster
- no fold-in-floor 3rd row
- no self driving features
- a pull up hand brake and old school shifter
- etc.
Doug DeMuro did a nice video on this:
But hey, a 2008-2015 at $20k-$40k is a total steal! Because those older models still get all the good stuff: comfortable ride, quiet, off road capable, reliable, etc.
Man, I would love it if Toyota would build in the ability to add future updates to their software/hardware like Tesla. My adaptive cruise control sucks. My guess is it was developed in 2012 and added from 2012 to 2015. You telling me they haven’t made improvements since then? Same with CarPlay. My guess is its a bit of code that could be added really easily, and yet, they wont do it.
Infotainment...sure, valid.
13mpg? Mercedes G550 gets same. That is just 6000 lbs and V8.
gauge cluster? Was there a problem with reading them? No. Electronic clusters fail. If you’re after pretty, sure...but reliability of electronic dash clusters is not there yet.
fold in floor 3rd row.....uhhhhh, we have solid rear axle. Others have IRS. Look at Lexus GX...they fold in floor but there is a HUGE lip that takes up space.
Self driving? Who has that?! Adaptive cruise on 2016+ models is super smooth...better than some other brands. And our steering column is not electronic...so, no lane correct...to change that, i think that requires major redesign.
I actually WANT pull up hand brake! Who doesn’t?!
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2016+ Adaptive is much better. My 2019 GX has your adaptive cruise...it does suck donkey balls!
Since there is no perfect vehicle out there...do you want CarPlay and electronic dash or do you want strong a$$ frame and trouble-free ownership? Have you read Mercedes G550 forums? Engine and electronic issues galore. Yikes! Or LR Defender forums? Even worst...car won’t even start due to electronic gremlins!!
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I am ok with everything but the infotainment. I like the gauge cluster, shifter and yes the parking brake. My LX is 7 years old so whatever system is has is woefully outdated, I am fine with that. But it seems that 2019 or 2020 models should at the very least have a system as least as good as a Sienna. The Sienna gives you Apple Car Play, WiFi Connect, Alexa, 5 USB Charge ports and a bunch more.
I can get that in a 35K Sienna but not 100K Lexus? Are you kidding me?
And before you tell me go buy a Sienna I had one for 8 years, great car but you can't take it off road.
Does Sequoia still require a key to turn on? That thing is $65k. But hey, it has CarPlay!
There are some things in the world that we never understand.
No idea but my '11 Sienna was push button start. BTW, I much prefer a physical key.Does Sequoia still require a key to turn on? That thing is $65k. But hey, it has CarPlay!
There are some things in the world that we never understand.