Looks more mustard to me
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Looks more mustard to me
I think it's one of the colors from the Toyota logo.
Man, if we could cherry pick options from both the LC and GX we could put together one hell of a machine.
I know I’m just saying it resembles mustard to me
And like the mythical brown, manual transmission, turbo diesel station wagon of auto journalists’ dreams, they would only sell 12 of them. We are enthusiasts. What some of us may want is not indicative of the market at large. People keep making the assumption that a lot of other people want what they want.
Grey poupon for sure
Not that extreme. I don't want brown or a diesel.
There is a market for a stripped down, cheaper, easy to work on, less frills, no turbo or hybrid off roader from Toyota
We disagree about the size of that market.
I believe there is more of a demographic market that wants a fuel efficient Overland basic vehicle…. And that’s what was offered.
Perhaps Toyoto looks at the next decade and the cost of fuel.
Perhaps Toyoto looks at the next decade and the cost of fuel.
so overstyled and complex body work
far too much plastic
front end is way too tall....whats up with those giant square pieces below the headlights?
I never mentioned the market size
how many broncos and wranglers (albeit far to complicated and expensive in their own ways) are sold every year?
They already have the updated 4runner coming....already have the sequioa.....why not go a bit more down market?
sell 10-20k models a year?
Humbly disagree with all three points. I think it's styled very well. The removeable plastic panels will all make modification much easier. The front end is in line with basically every other SUV in this segment in terms of height.
I truly don't mean this to be inflammatory, but it seems like you're just destined to hate this vehicle. Toyota is going to sell a ton of these, and I'll be in line to buy it or the GX. If you dislike it that much, just don't buy it.
I'm sure its a fine vehicle relative to the nonsense made in 2023. good on them.
But why do what everyone else is doing 'in this segment'?
The 'hate' stems from them not doing better when they had a billion dollars and a blank slate....and planned to put a 'Cruiser' name on it
taylor swift sells a lot of concert tickets, but that doesn't make it 'good'
But why do what everyone else is doing 'in this segment'?
The 'hate' stems from them not doing better when they had a billion dollars and a blank slate....and planned to put a 'Cruiser' name on it
taylor swift sells a lot of concert tickets, but that doesn't make it 'good'
Taylor swift sell a lot of tickets because many fans like what she builds.
I’m sure many will listen to this 250 with a smile.
I will be one of them , as I listen to Zepplin on a better tire/wheel combo and armor .
I’m sure many will listen to this 250 with a smile.
I will be one of them , as I listen to Zepplin on a better tire/wheel combo and armor .
Do you not see that you're making entirely subjective arguments and then applying those to whether or not the vehicle is "good"? This vehicle will do exactly what it's intended to do. It will be a great overlander. It will tow what it needs to tow. I will fit the family it needs to fit. It will be highly modifiable. It will get great gas mileage, hp, and tq. It will last 300k miles.
Your definition of good is exactly that, yours. 90% in this forum love a bare-bones, easy to work on rig with little that can go wrong that can't be fixed. That doesn't mean this isn't a "good" vehicle to buy in 2024.
Dang. you got me. didn't know they were on the roads with 300k on them already with no problems, issues, or shortcomings.
You are immediately jumping to conclusions that I want a 1974 FJ40 to DD in 2023. I do not want that.
There is a HUGE gap in the market between a car with just a steering wheel and a seat and what we are offered now, by any auto maker.
You are immediately jumping to conclusions that I want a 1974 FJ40 to DD in 2023. I do not want that.
There is a HUGE gap in the market between a car with just a steering wheel and a seat and what we are offered now, by any auto maker.
The reason they didn't go "down market" with the LC is multi-faceted, two primary points I can think of.
1) The gen6 4Runner is going to shrink, use the same hybrid system, and put a spanking on the Bronco. They will also keep the current 4Runner pricing, so the top of the line 4R is the same mid $50K as the "base" 1958 LC.
2) car prices have increased so much since 2019 that $60k is the new $40K. Between inflation and horrible predatory dealer mark-ups the US auto industry is in a really s***ty place. Just reading the other thread on ordering some people have listed that dealers want a deposit and state a $7500 "ADM".
Why people keep buying new cars with interest rates the way they are and the "rape the consumer" mindset of dealer is beyond me.
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Mark up of the 250…
My Dealership said $5,000 for non relationship customers and possibly additional $1000 for relationship customers
