Can you post links where their success is documented?
isuzu 4BD1T swap?!
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Can you post links where their success is documented?
Arcteryx:
Are you being sarcastic?
If not, you can check out www.marks4wd.com, Brunswick diesels, or Linquip diesels. Landcruisers Northwest is also doing a 6.5 swap right now in Portland. It's a good motor with some minor modification (heat sink, mechanical fuel pump, etc), is readily available, relatively cheap, and good power.
Are you being sarcastic?
If not, you can check out www.marks4wd.com, Brunswick diesels, or Linquip diesels. Landcruisers Northwest is also doing a 6.5 swap right now in Portland. It's a good motor with some minor modification (heat sink, mechanical fuel pump, etc), is readily available, relatively cheap, and good power.
Not at all. I really would like to know more about how they are doing it. Thanks for the info. I know the 6.5 has some shortcomings, but with some mods, it is pretty reliable.
Cheers!
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From speaking to the aussie companies that do the conversion they use mainly fully rebuilt engines.
They also have a favourite fuel pump that comes with the 6.5.
The best conversions install a custom radiator and do a mod to the auto trans to suit the 6.5 rpms
Lots of owners with 6.5 Landcruisers and Patrols on here if you ask a question http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Default.asp
adapter 4 4bd1t
88tlc, Novak is local for you guys. If you can, why don't you take the flywheel/adapter ring in to them so they can see what we need to have made. I would like to have it mated to an sae#3 or a Chevy or Chyl.(Jeep)bellhousing, any of these would be ok with me.
Dieseltim
88tlc, Novak is local for you guys. If you can, why don't you take the flywheel/adapter ring in to them so they can see what we need to have made. I would like to have it mated to an sae#3 or a Chevy or Chyl.(Jeep)bellhousing, any of these would be ok with me.
Dieseltim
Thing is they don't do custom work, we will have to convince them... Not sure but sort of like convincing Advance Adapters to do custom work...
They are also up in Logan so still a couple hours away. But I hadn't thought about the Novak route, definitely worth pursuing, but I'm still not sure the Isuzu to LC would be a big seller for them, but am unsure. Maybe they will do a couple custom rounds though. Beauty is the 3FE is it's the same as 2F and earlier. So H55F 5 speed, Land Cruiser 4 speed, Land Cruiser automatic, will all bolt to such an adapter...
There are also custom bellhousing builders, there is one up in San Fransisco I talked to, "Bob Weir" not of the dead, but he was interested in the idea years ago before the Isuzu diesel swapper guy...
Anyway, RE novak.. Definitely worth pursuing..
They are also up in Logan so still a couple hours away. But I hadn't thought about the Novak route, definitely worth pursuing, but I'm still not sure the Isuzu to LC would be a big seller for them, but am unsure. Maybe they will do a couple custom rounds though. Beauty is the 3FE is it's the same as 2F and earlier. So H55F 5 speed, Land Cruiser 4 speed, Land Cruiser automatic, will all bolt to such an adapter...
There are also custom bellhousing builders, there is one up in San Fransisco I talked to, "Bob Weir" not of the dead, but he was interested in the idea years ago before the Isuzu diesel swapper guy...
Anyway, RE novak.. Definitely worth pursuing..
seems to me that if Novak made a Chevy bolt pattern motor plate (goes between block and bellhousing), then we could bolt up either a Chevy drivetrain with Chevy bellhousing or a cruiser drivetrain behind an AA or Downey bellhousing. That would open up the 4BD to the widest market, AND get them into cruisers. If 4HE motors share that motor plate bolt pattern, so much the better. Starter mounting concerns would be the issue with this approach, I've been told which way the starter mounts on the two series of motor, but I forget which is which...bellhousing mount (facing rearward) and motor plate mount (facing forward).
this might make this method harder than it looks...you'd probably want a new motor plate to mount the stock starter so it mates with stock Isuzu flywheel, and if the 4HE starter pinion is different diameter/tooth count/etc. then that would make it hard to cover both applications.
anyway, just flapping my gums, here.
Steve
this might make this method harder than it looks...you'd probably want a new motor plate to mount the stock starter so it mates with stock Isuzu flywheel, and if the 4HE starter pinion is different diameter/tooth count/etc. then that would make it hard to cover both applications.
anyway, just flapping my gums, here.
Steve
Whats tough here is Bill (88tlc) wants to use the land cruiser auto transmission, which is probably less desirable than a Chevy pattern, sales-wise... In the end it might still be cheaper to go with a built 700R4 and the IsuzudieselSwapper.com stuff...
Anyway, just talked to Novak, they are interested in doing it.. Sounds like the costs might be a little high but we would own the design. Again I think the big market for them is for H55F bolting, which I would do personally probably over a NV4500 if it were me, given this motor. We could do a Chevy pattern too, we are going to explore plate and entirely new flywheel housing options I think.. Looks like about ~two weeks before we go up there..
If anyone is interested in one of these let me know!
Anyway, just talked to Novak, they are interested in doing it.. Sounds like the costs might be a little high but we would own the design. Again I think the big market for them is for H55F bolting, which I would do personally probably over a NV4500 if it were me, given this motor. We could do a Chevy pattern too, we are going to explore plate and entirely new flywheel housing options I think.. Looks like about ~two weeks before we go up there..
If anyone is interested in one of these let me know!
seems confusing, good luck getting novak or AA do help you out. From my understanding I am looking for any diesel that fits my needs/wants with an SAE4 bellhousing.
http://www.phxgrp.com/transmission.htm
First item on the page, SAE 4 to GM 5.7L. Now you can throw a 350 in just about anything. So why not take an isuzu or any diesel, cat, cummins, perkins, etc, with a sae 4 housing, throw that adapter on the back of it, so now you have a diesel with the back of a 350, get your respective adapter from novak or AA. Seems logical to me, thats what I was going to do, have I been misslead. That combo will work, you can use mulitiple adapters?
http://www.phxgrp.com/transmission.htm
First item on the page, SAE 4 to GM 5.7L. Now you can throw a 350 in just about anything. So why not take an isuzu or any diesel, cat, cummins, perkins, etc, with a sae 4 housing, throw that adapter on the back of it, so now you have a diesel with the back of a 350, get your respective adapter from novak or AA. Seems logical to me, thats what I was going to do, have I been misslead. That combo will work, you can use mulitiple adapters?
I have two more leads now on machine shops locally that do bellhousing work including Marlin's supplier, who it turns out I actually know as he's a cruiserhead.. Also Kurt from CruiserOutfitters has some connections at the machine shop at the Univ. of Utah in the mechanical engineering school so there is a possibility there as well..
I have two more leads now on machine shops locally that do bellhousing work including Marlin's supplier, who it turns out I actually know as he's a cruiserhead.. Also Kurt from CruiserOutfitters has some connections at the machine shop at the Univ. of Utah in the mechanical engineering school so there is a possibility there as well..
Yup, get me some dimensions and I can work with both of said machine shops (and another option I have for you too Andre).
Ideally we have both mating surfaces to take to the U, assuming my old Prof. will be open to trying it out, we can jig it up on the coordinate machine and pull some dimensions. From there we start entering them into Solidworks, after that it can be converted to machine code.
Bellhousing/ adapter
Well my vote is for a bellhousing ring that will bolt up the the 4bd1t engine and give me a Chevy bolt pattern. I would think these would be the best selling item. If not a Chevy bolt then the next best would be an SAE, so I could bolt up an NV4500 from a Dodge.
Dieseltim
Well my vote is for a bellhousing ring that will bolt up the the 4bd1t engine and give me a Chevy bolt pattern. I would think these would be the best selling item. If not a Chevy bolt then the next best would be an SAE, so I could bolt up an NV4500 from a Dodge.
Dieseltim
ok so who wants to help me out with what the three cables are on the injector pump of a 4BD1T?? i know the one that runs to the top of the engine is prolly throttle, but what about the other two?
found this to help with bellhousing IDhttp://www.garbee.net/~cabell/sae.htm
found this to help with bellhousing IDhttp://www.garbee.net/~cabell/sae.htm
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Does anyone know if the automatic would have and OD?These engines also come in 4wd NPR. THe Isuzu t.case has the front drive shaftto the right like a LC and the rear, from memory,slightly to the right.
Lengthwise its similar to a LC.
Now it might be a pain procuring one in the US but would save some work further down the track
control cables
Ok Rhino,
The cable that runs to the back of the engine at the top is the thottle, the one that is closest to the engine is the fuel shutoff (forward is on). The one to the outside I think is for the cruise control. Look at the 2nd pic I have posted above. Oh, thanks for the SAE number chart.
Dieseltim
Ok Rhino,
The cable that runs to the back of the engine at the top is the thottle, the one that is closest to the engine is the fuel shutoff (forward is on). The one to the outside I think is for the cruise control. Look at the 2nd pic I have posted above. Oh, thanks for the SAE number chart.
Dieseltim
If anyone has a spare connecting rod Im going to need one for my 85 motor. Or if anyone has found any good prices for parts Id appreciate any info. Im sure its going to need much more but the rod bolt/cap broke off and rod is wedged between crank and block now. No apparent crack in block(crossing my fingers) so I hope it will be OK.
dieseltim thanks for the info ! thats exactly what i thought. since i dont have the whole truck can you do me another favor, how does the fuel shutoff operate from isuzu? is the cable attached to an electric servo? i will prolly just run a push pull cable under the dash for a poor mans security feature.
about the proposed isuzu adapter ring. Wouldent you also need to have some kind of flexplate/flywheel spacer the exact same thickness as the ring. I guess you would have to make it bolt to the crank, and then have your chevy bolts pattern on the other side.
Isint there already one of these rings being made?
A sidenote, if converting to isuzu power, can a stock gasoline fj62 fuel system be modified to work, or would it be better to buy a diesel system and bolt it in?
I have herd some talk about keeping the toyo AC pump and putting it on the isuzu, and thoughts there? What about getting a complete isuzu with alt, ps, ac, and just make some new lines to hook them up. How does the toyo ac pump turn on? Just a wire that hooks up to it?
-nate-
Isint there already one of these rings being made?
A sidenote, if converting to isuzu power, can a stock gasoline fj62 fuel system be modified to work, or would it be better to buy a diesel system and bolt it in?
I have herd some talk about keeping the toyo AC pump and putting it on the isuzu, and thoughts there? What about getting a complete isuzu with alt, ps, ac, and just make some new lines to hook them up. How does the toyo ac pump turn on? Just a wire that hooks up to it?
-nate-
yeah the adapter is already out there for GM trannies, i have one and went back and forth with NV4500 but decided on a 700r4 behind my isuzu.
stock carburated gas system doesnt need to be modified, its just a tank and lines, if 62's have in tank pumps then you just need to remove it.
not sure why a toyo ac pump would need to be kept, the isuzu pump is the same style. maybe a different size? PS pump is built into the block and gear driven
based on my tape measure the round bellhousing on the isuzu engines is not any SAE.
stock carburated gas system doesnt need to be modified, its just a tank and lines, if 62's have in tank pumps then you just need to remove it.
not sure why a toyo ac pump would need to be kept, the isuzu pump is the same style. maybe a different size? PS pump is built into the block and gear driven
based on my tape measure the round bellhousing on the isuzu engines is not any SAE.