Interior Tire Mount 91-97 FJ/FZJ80...

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With this in mind, pretty much ANY mod being sold would fall under the same liability issue. Sorry to hear about your decision but totally understand it.

Yes, that is true. Yet, "real" businesses pay for liability insurance which gets added to their overhead. That is one option I'm looking at although, not a reasonable option for someone selling 1 or 2 of these a week.

And, interior modifications carry a higher risk of liability than a bumper, slider, skid plate and such due to the proximity to the passengers.

Bottom line is I'm too naive, and maybe over-reacting to questions like..."Is it DOT approved?"...:rolleyes:
 
Yes, that is true. Yet, "real" businesses pay for liability insurance which gets added to their overhead. That is one option I'm looking at although, not a reasonable option for someone selling 1 or 2 of these a week.

And, interior modifications carry a higher risk of liability than a bumper, slider, skid plate and such due to the proximity to the passengers.

Bottom line is I'm too naive, and maybe over-reacting to questions like..."Is it DOT approved?"...:rolleyes:

Maybe just sell individual parts for what-ever:idea:
 
Simple. Sell it as a wall mounted clock mount. Then whatever mudders do with it at that point to repurpose it is up to the individual client. If they decide to use it for something other that wall mounted their clock, its on them. ;)
 
This is such a shame. If someone is concerned about this product, don't buy or install it. This product is way over-engineered and fills a great need for 80 Owners, that some leech wants to suck every last cent from every human and absolve individuals from any responsibility is disgusting and hurts the entire community.

Undoubtedly there are others contemplating making niche products available to Cruiser Owners who will likely pass after reading this - because some leech is looking to make a buck, and it's not worth the risk.

How sad.
 
Simple. Sell it as a wall mounted clock mount. Then whatever mudders do with it at that point to repurpose it is up to the individual client. If they decide to use it for something other that wall mounted their clock, its on them. ;)

I like this option, best solution yet...:beer:
 
This is such a shame. If someone is concerned about this product, don't buy or install it. This product is way over-engineered and fills a great need for 80 Owners, that some leech wants to suck every last cent from every human and absolve individuals from any responsibility is disgusting and hurts the entire community.

Undoubtedly there are others contemplating making niche products available to Cruiser Owners who will likely pass after reading this - because some leech is looking to make a buck, and it's not worth the risk.

How sad.

Thanks Joe, no leech is sucking yet, just me fear of them...;)
 
I'm still interested if you wanna sell a complete or piece meal clock holder. I pm'ed you about it.
Welded or not is fine with me. Thanks
 
I stumbled upon your posts here. You have an excellent product, I hate to see you stop making it and selling. I think your product has more than enough strength to do the job that is asked of it.

As a comparison, Ford, GM and others used a simple stamped metal bracket that attached to the body with far smaller hardware to hold the tires in the cargo areas of Broncos, BroncoII, Blazers, Jimmys, Vans, etc... They also used a simple large wingnut and half inch floating cariage bolt to hold the tire to the bracket.

We had an 86 Bronco growing up, half the time, the washboarded dirt roads would rattle the big wingnut loose and the tire would be rattleing then. We had to make a big rubber washer and stuff a blanket behind it to keep it tight and free from working loose. The entire bracket and tire still would shake and shimmy on rough roads. THIS WAS A FACTORY PART people, far less substantial than the mount Mtbcoach is building that I can see.

Yes we had a stock sized tire in the back of that Bronco, yes mudders have bigger tires often times. If you are worrid drill out the hole for a bigger bolt, but a half inch bolt has an immense shear strength. Your body, heavier than a tire, is only held in the car by three bolts and a nylon strap. The seats attached similar. These items typically don't break the bolts off and go flying around the cab, and when they do, things have gone really bad.

Give this guy a break, we are a community, if you want to buy something from a guy he built in his garage than understand it didn't under go millions of dollars of safety testing a Toyota and use it at your own risk.

Examples of interior carriers, top BroncoII, below full size Bronco.
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I honestly believe your mount is just fine. Those are standard 4mm Ford bolts there that go into the body panels. That was the only weak spot I see on yours is mounting it to the seat mount bolt holes, however, you are catching several of them, plus the seat mount has to take some of the load of an occupant and the attached seat belts in the rear seats, so they are probably fine. I've never seen what kind of reinforcing is in the fenderwells for the third row seats of an 80, but knowing Toyota it is substantial.

Those Ford mounting points, probably less substantial than a Toyota mount point anywhere.

I just couldn't believe some of the comments made about your product and the fact they scared you off, sorry state we live in, I would't sue IF, your carrier failed, but I doubt it would. I just remember the factory mounts in those other vehicles being far less substantial.
 
I hope you bring them back jerry. I really do want to buy one.
 
Me too. Lmk.
 
Sorry, not much to update. I appreciate all the PM's and interest in these, I don't mean to cause frustration.

Choices for liability are few. After wasting too much time speaking to a lawyer, only options are live with the risk or buy insurance.

I can buy a rider on my homeowners insurance but have no guarantee with insurance carrier will payout if they determine I'm running a "business" out of my home.

Regarding selling an un-welded pieces, no chance. The pieces would have to be tacked in place while bolted in the vehicle to get them aligned properly. Each mount on the wheel well is on a different plane, why I built a jig out of stock wheel well cut out of an 80. The bulk of the work is cutting the pieces with my plasma, prepping them for welding with a flap wheel and bending the tube. The welding is the least amount of time and I doubt people would want to pay for a "kit" version for what I'd expect.

One thing that would make it viable to get these available again is if I could find a decent laser/plasma cutter who could cut the pieces for me. I've wasted too much time and been jerked around by the local shops who do this work, I guess I'm too small of an order for them to make much time for. The estimates I've received to date would put me another $50 higher since their charges to cut are slightly lower than my asking price.

That tells me that I'm severely underestimating my time or I'm getting a high-end estimate that I need to find a better/cheaper source to cut the pieces. I'll invest some time later this week to see if I can find another laser/plasma cutting shop that can give me another estimate. I spent many hours laying the pieces out in AutoCad, something I hadn't used before and the learning curve for the software took time. But, now I have them saved in a format that I can get a fair estimate from.

Yet, the main issue is that I'm an @sshole and build them on my time and having to please customers who want a time line can be a challenge for me. I guess that's why I'm not in a customer service industry for my "real" job. I don't want to put people in a position waiting for something they have paid for.

I posted in the beginning that I'm a part-time, home-fabricator whose personal life takes precedence over building such things. I won't make excuses for when my personal life gets in the way no matter how "real" it is, it can come off as being evasive and the customer feels like they are being jerked around. And, I understand completely, I'd feel the same.

I've got a '77 FJ45 that just got back from the blaster and needs EXTENSIVE rust repair, building these mounts takes away from my time working on that project that I desperately want to have finished before the summer. That's my major excuse/priority/time suck that takes time away from building these mounts.

That's the best I can update at this time...
 
Thanks for the update. I hope in the end you can get this sorted out and yet still be worthwhile for you to keep producing these.
 
Just bumping this back because I still really like this mount. No pressure though; I know its a side deal. :beer:
 
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