For John. N74L vs N101

[spressomon]

ats4x4dotcom: Enough already Do you offer a complete, matched, 4-shock/spring solution for our LC 100's that provides additional benefits/performance over the current OME standard? If so list it up please.

 

[spressomon]

ats4x4dotcom: Not to hurrang you but your web-site(s) are lacking for real information about "parts" such as the above mentioned shocks...

 

[Greg B]

We have a comp shock which is 760mm long, and convert the top rear mount on the vehicle to an eye mount, allowing it to be mounted higher near the floor especially with a body lift to run 37's, using a bump stop spacer to stop the 37's dining on fender when articulated, this shock is 450 ish mm closed.

The spring has to be held captive with these shocks normally also.

So, what you're telling us is you really have NO WAY of putting a longer shock than an N74L on a 100 equipped with a standard 2-3 inch OME lift. I don't care about hacking fenders and running body lifts. If I wanted that, I'd drive a full size Chevy truck.

For someone that is so vocal about bashing John's method of using the N74L, you haven't given any other option that is any better. Please elaborate on "your special shock" that has better valving and longer travel for the 100. Not some cheesey body lift and shock mount relocation idea. If I'm gonna do that, I might as well cut holes in the body and run some coil-overs up into the cargo area.

Also, please elaborate on how you are running 35's on a 100 without using bumpstop extensions and have no rubbing from the tires. And don't say body lift. In John's case, the 35's took away two inches of suspension travel because of the bumpstop spacers. The N74L gave those two inches back plus another .6 of an inch in added droop. I call that improvement. Is this very beneficial for a rig running 33's? Probably not, since the 2 inches of up-travel isn't lost because you don't need bumpstop extensions. But for one running 35's, re-gaining 2.6 inches of travel is an obvious improvement.

If you really have an alternative, we'd all love to hear it. You'd probably even gain some business from some of us. If you don't have anything better than using body lifts to gain clearance for new shock mounts, tone down your criticizm a bit.

 

[Greg B]

I also want to add this. Some people are saying this is a .6" net gain. This is a blanket statement and is not true in all situations. Yes, it is true on a lifted 100 running 33's. You have to limit the upstroke by 2 inches with a bumpstop extension to gain the additional 2.6 inches of droop that the N74L's offer. This results in a net of .6 inches over the N101.

With a lifted 100 running 35's, this is not the case. In order to run the 35's, you have to use a bumpstop extension to keep the tires from rubbing in the fender wells. So, using an N101, you just lost two inches of up-travel. Which is a real trade-off for some people; loss of suspension travel to gain ground clearance from larger tires.

Now, go and add the N74L's like John did. You just got your full range of suspension travel back that you had before you started running 35's. As Christo said, as long as the spring doesn't unload you should feel pretty stable. If the spring stays loaded , how is that not a great improvement?

If you can't see this for what it is, then you're being stubborn because you don't want to agree with John.

 

[SINCITY100]

With a lifted 100 running 35's, this is not the case. In order to run the 35's, you have to use a bumpstop extension to keep the tires from rubbing in the fender wells. So, using an N101, you just lost two inches of up-travel. Which is a real trade-off for some people; loss of suspension travel to gain ground clearance from larger tires.

Now, go and add the N74L's like John did. You just got your full range of suspension travel back that you had before you started running 35's.
If you can't see this for what it is, then you're being stubborn because you don't want to agree with John.

Hmmm.. If this is true..Should I bother installing this mod untill I put my 35`s on my rig ? I currently have FULL suspension travel with NO rubbing with my 33inchers..

I understand there is a benefit when running 35`s, but I dont want to lose anything (articulation) with my current tire selection...

Umm...HELP ?

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Hmmm.. If this is true..Should I bother installing this mod untill I put my 35`s on my rig ? I currently have FULL suspension travel with NO rubbing with my 33inchers..

I understand there is a benefit when running 35`s, but I dont want to lose anything (articulation) with my current tire selection...

Umm...HELP ?

3 things:

1. I'm doubtful the N74L will work with the shorter 100-springs. Might, but doubtful. Maybe if you had an ATTACHED spacer on top of the spring...but why do that? It's easier to simply 863-up and be done.

2. Let's think about 80's....there are a bunch of 80 owners who run 863 and N74L (like myself) AND run 33-inchers. You still have a better system overall than a 863 and shorter N-shock.

3. Look at your progress....you've slicked out that truck....you spent dough on that rear bumper....your next improvement is up-sizing your tires to 35's. You know it's coming. The 100 has more than enough power. My suggestion.....

When you're ready to replace your tires....add the N74L, 863, AND 315's at the same time. Your end result will be an amazing improvement. (In looks too) The truck will drive off-road like an 80 though with all the benefits of the 100.

 

[Greg B]

Hmmm.. If this is true..Should I bother installing this mod untill I put my 35`s on my rig ? I currently have FULL suspension travel with NO rubbing with my 33inchers..

I understand there is a benefit when running 35`s, but I dont want to lose anything (articulation) with my current tire selection...

Umm...HELP ?

I agree with John's thoughts on his post. But, there is another option you may want to consider. I'll give you my plans to consider.

My Slee rear bumper is on it's way. I am going to install 863's and N74L's when I install the rear bumper. Even though I am currently running 295 AT's I will still gain .6 inches of travel with this setup with no ill effects.

However, I am also going to get a set of 35" MT's for local wheeling that I will throw on when I need them. With this new suspension setup, I can go from 33's to 35's at will with no suspension issues on either tire size. That is called flexibility and I like it. It is nice to have options, and I think this suspension will give me the options I'm looking for.

 

[SINCITY100]

3 things:

When you're ready to replace your tires....add the N74L, 863, AND 315's at the same time. Your end result will be an amazing improvement. (In looks too) The truck will drive off-road like an 80 though with all the benefits of the 100.

I think thats what I am gonna do John...

At the current rate of use (and abuse) I figure I will be ready for my 35`s within a year or so...When I do, I will put everything on at the same time.

Darn...I guess in the mean time, I will just have to concentrate on the body armor, lighting, and recovery equipment

 

[SINCITY100]

I agree with John's thoughts on his post. But, there is another option you may want to consider. I'll give you my plans to consider.

My Slee rear bumper is on it's way. I am going to install 863's and N74L's when I install the rear bumper. Even though I am currently running 295 AT's I will still gain .6 inches of travel with this setup with no ill effects.

However, I am also going to get a set of 35" MT's for local wheeling that I will throw on when I need them. With this new suspension setup, I can go from 33's to 35's at will with no suspension issues on either tire size. That is called flexibility and I like it. It is nice to have options, and I think this suspension will give me the options I'm looking for.

SAounds like a good plan to me Greg...

Maybe I will wait and see what you think (after installing your 74L`s) before I slap mine on...

One more tester is always good

I am gonna go a bit "unconventional" for a 100 (imagine that !) when I do my 35`s...Real narrow with a real aggressive tread..should be interesting

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

SAounds like a good plan to me Greg...

Maybe I will wait and see what you think (after installing your 74L`s) before I slap mine on...

One more tester is always good

I am gonna go a bit "unconventional" for a 100 (imagine that !) when I do my 35`s...Real narrow with a real aggressive tread..should be interesting

ANOTHER OPTION!

Do what I've done (because I get excited and can't wait. ). Go to your tire shop and get your tires NOW. Since they have tread left you'll get $25-50 per tire trade-in. If you wait you get no trade. Helps ease the change and your truck is DONE. Ahhhhhhhhhh......the feeling. POKE! POKE! Slap it on the plastic the go spank the Jeeps!

 

[SINCITY100]

ANOTHER OPTION!

Do what I've done (because I get excited and can't wait. ). Go to your tire shop and get your tires NOW. Since they have tread left you'll get $25-50 per tire trade-in. If you wait you get no trade. Helps ease the change and your truck is DONE. Ahhhhhhhhhh......the feeling. POKE! POKE! Slap it on the plastic the go spank the Jeeps!

Its always easier to spend OTHER people`s money !!

If I could do things over again, I would have skipped the 33`s altogether, but now I`ve gotta get my $$ worth out of these MT/Rs...


I did get some driving lights for the ARB today...I will post some pics when I get them on.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I did get some driving lights for the ARB today...I will post some pics when I get them on.

See! I was correct! You are in SICKNESS-MODE. Sell those 33's (easy!) and finish the truck now. Here's a credit card to use:

100-315-75-16

Exp date:
JAN/2006

Name on Card:
Joe KillaJeep

Phone number:
1-800-CRZR-SIN

 

[SINCITY100]

See! I was correct! You are in SICKNESS-MODE. Sell those 33's (easy!) and finish the truck now. Here's a credit card to use:

100-315-75-16

Exp date:
JAN/2006

Name on Card:
Joe KillaJeep

Phone number:
1-800-CRZR-SIN

Hey John...I think you made a mistake on the card# or something...I just called the TireRack to order those 35`s...and it was declined !!....(insufficient funds or something like that !)...

I guess I will just have to wait ....

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Hey John...I think you made a mistake on the card# or something...I just called the TireRack to order those 35`s...and it was declined !!....(insufficient funds or something like that !)...

I guess I will just have to wait ....

I'll call the bank. Thanks!

 

[Greg B]

See! I was correct! You are in SICKNESS-MODE. Sell those 33's (easy!) and finish the truck now. Here's a credit card to use:

100-315-75-16

Exp date:
JAN/2006

Name on Card:
Joe KillaJeep

Phone number:
1-800-CRZR-SIN

I called Christo to order some more goodies. He said this credit card info you posted is no good. He said your account had a different card listed on it. So, he applied my charges to it. Thanks John! You da man!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I called Christo to order some more goodies. He said this credit card info you posted is no good. He said your account had a different card listed on it. So, he applied my charges to it. Thanks John! You da man!

SLEE OFF ROAD? Your lines been BUSY! I need to get through ASAP. HELP!

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

So, what you're telling us is you really have NO WAY of putting a longer shock than an N74L on a 100 equipped with a standard 2-3 inch OME lift.

I dont normally state the obvious, but now you have, I guess you could say that is correct, without making a mod like a bump stop spacer, which the N74 needs as well, you have only .6" more travel than a "standard 2-3" lift" or mod the mount, because a shock wont get longer extended, without being longer compressed, and the vehicle has fixed dimensions these need to fit into, unles you mod something........ are you still with me here? [if longer shocks was easy, everyone would be doing it, of course...]

So we use a 10mm body spacer, and no bump stop spacer, for our "normal" Bilstein premium package, which = within.6" of travel to the N74 mod, with 35's, and a small rub on the smooth inner fender in the rear is only telling you your suspension is almost maxed out, so dont think you need to limit travel just so tyres dont 'touch" because if your tyres dont rub, it means you can fit bigger ones .

My only questioning has been how .6" could make so much difference to johns feel of the truck, and I have explained why the N74 doesnt make sense, for .6", thats why for a little more work, yo can make more gains than .6" but he seemed to be pretending to not understand the math, though he has admtted he understands here
previously, when HOSER explained details,

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=63422&page=2

What have I said a million times?

IDIOT IDIOT

OK, I got it now. Pictures don't even work for me!

 

[FirstToy]

DMC,
denial ain't just a river in africa.

on another note, seriously throw some of those 120 &100 recovery loops in if you send stuff to Slee! I know he will sell them all

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

ats4x4dotcom: Enough already Do you offer a complete, matched, 4-shock/spring solution for our LC 100's that provides additional benefits/performance over the current OME standard? If so list it up please.

No, we dont, but we do do a 4 shock, 2 spring, and 2 torsion bar option for a 100

If your after bolt on, you wont get it, with any more travel than our Bilstein premium package, or OME package, or N74L shocks, without a 'custom' install currently, though the n74L is really a "custom" install, requiring spring retainers, and bump stop spacers, and isnt "bolt on" either. Maybe if enough of you hassle Christo, he may produce something you can fit at home.

Our Bilstein premium package certainly has additional benefits / performance over what you quoted above, because they control the vehicle alot better than the OME shock, and we remove more OME than anything else to istall our Premium package, usually to people who have ridden in a customers vehicle we have fitted.

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

DMC,
denial ain't just a river in africa.

on another note, seriously throw some of those 120 &100 recovery loops in if you send stuff to Slee! I know he will sell them all

Looks like we will be a set short, and your name will be last on the list