FJ-40 vs. CJ-7

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friend of mine builds up j**ps... has been for 25 years... he'll gladly admit that an FJ40 is about 10 times tougher. More expensive to get into.. but built up using much higher quality parts.

all are correct in that the CJ comes from small car herritage. US wanted a general purpose vehicle which soldiers could pick up by hand if they needed to! When yota got a hold of one to copy it, them made it out of truck parts. "Yet another example of the japanese taking something american and making it better." (once herd out of the mouth of a guy that "bleeds j**p")
 
the rock drives one?
 
[quote author=thorvald link=board=1;threadid=14617;start=msg137370#msg137370 date=1081750858]
jeep are for sheep :D
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This is something I completely agree with. Just like how the sheeple in the parking lot say, "Nice Jeep".

I hate that. >:( But, I just say, "thanks" and walk away.
Because they wouldn't get it. ;)
 
I think the wrangler Sahara is superior to the CJ. It doesn't seem to be as cheaply built and it rides and handles nice on the highway. I owned one between cruisers. The 40 is still better, thats why I sold it and came back. They are great for sending the wife off for more beer while your wheeling in the 40.
 
no in "the rundown" the rock asks to borow the dudes "jeep" , lol

i always get into arguments with my jeep Freinds about whats better, they always bring up Rubicons and TJ's and compare them to 40's.. but you cant compare a tj from 95 to a fj from 65.. Yes the Coil Suspension is better... But thats why toyota put out the 80's... i think cj's and fj 40's are about equal offroad.. but jeep people are Stupid and everyone in Colorado has a FingJeep.. i just like being different i guess, Buy an FJ!!
 
[quote author=me78he78 link=board=1;threadid=14617;start=msg137532#msg137532 date=1081786321]
When yota got a hold of one to copy it, them made it out of truck parts. [/quote]

be carefull there, there is some documentation that toyota was planning a truck with offroad capabilities, with a similar looking front end to the 25/40 series BEFORE ww2, which would put it before the US apparently gave yota the jeep to copy. i guess we'll never know.
 
You know...the real tragedy is this: Japan has copied so many American inventions and then made them superior to our original design. They did it with the Harley Davidson i.e. the motorcycle in general. We actually sold Japan patents on early motorcycle engines. As well, it is unfortunate (for America) that we have to build products under a very very scrutinized economic process whereas Japan (35 years ago) essentially ran mfg. like a dictatorship. KAIZEN, their primary mfg. philosophy, is not as soft as most American Toyota mfg. facilites think it is i.e. it meant something very different in Japan. Point being, now that we are in a global economy, America, minus technology and a few other industries, has been placed in a very disadvantageous position due to the fact that, hitorically, we have gotten use to, marketed AND accepted s*** as a good product because it was made here in the states. But the pond has finally dried up so to speak and the previous two generations that experienced a very high and then a lesser but still siginificant high level of Isolationism (from post war economics and process) who led the mfg. processing concepts in America are dying (literally) or coming to grips with the polar opposite effect....a global economy.

So......why do people like Jeeps? Because they are inherently American and STAND for an ideal. Why do folks like Toyotas? Because they are obviously of higher build grade but stand for a global economy and a righteous slap in the face to our country. Hate to say it but buying a Toyota stands for far more than we can imagine. Just a thought on this rainy morning.
 
as an aussie, that "slap to the face" by buying a yota isn't aimed at you yanks :) it's purely a survival thing. yota = poor hungry student. jeep = poor hungry student who walks.
 
good call bad_religion, ha ha


malphrus


and it's always interesting to relate everything to isolationism, b/c our country is run off of it in sooo many ways, unfortunately. good point jukelemon
 
our country once had it's own market place, with million percent tarrifs, but some bright spark reduced the tarrifs. it'll be the end of australian made cars they cried.

Well the quality of the aussie made stuff increased (as it had to, to compete) and toyota and mitsubishi established a car factory over here. so it was a good move :)
 
yeah,

the global economy is a big driving force.
if you don't get in on it, you get left out and left behind.

malphrus
 
By the way, the "slap in the face" was appropriated for America not other countries. Really only applies here.

But good to see Aust. adapted although I do not think, if it is like the case here, that you will ever catch up to Toyota...unless, of course, there is another war and we utilize emotion AGAIN against logical analysis in products and Aust. hops into our corner in terms of political sensitivity. Kind of strange to think BUT Toyota could actually (and by some account already are) lessen their quality standards and still remain the top car company for another two generations. Perception is reality and we certainly perceive Toyota as being a quality produced vehicle ALTHOUGH...the big three use the EXACT methods of production BECAUSE....ready for this.....they stole it by soliciting engineers and team leaders from Toyota plants. How do I know? Well, I have a good friend who does it for a living i.e. directly solicits employees from Toyota to work at GM. I am talking Vice Presidents here. So even if the process is the same, and the same materials are used, most would say Toyota makes a better vehicle than GM/Ford/Chrysler. Spooky.
 
makes sense juke

i guess that the big 3 are tryin to steal back what they got.

used to be the other way around. a product would come out here (US) and they would get ahold of it, reproduce it and then improve it.

stuff like that still goes on though. my friend's dad is real big in textile machines and markets them worldwide and stuff.

he'll go to a plant in china to sell them another machine b/c he knows they need a new one due to the production they have been putting out and there will be five other machines they have built off the one he sold them. (no wonder their production was so high...)

he is constantly called up for patent infringement trials, but the chinese still really have no concept or respect for intelluctual property and stuff like that. i guess that's just communism at work. :D


malphrus
 
methodoligy of production has far less of an impact on reliability than quality of materials used. it is a fact that in general (NOT ALWAYS!), some brands prefer to use the lessor of materials in order to increase the profit. American auto manuf. do this more than Japs. You can see this in most reliability reports.

thus, the FJ is superior to a j**p.. Highlander is superior to a Liberty... and the list goes on....
 
i know that for the new camry, toyota reduced quality in a few areas as they were making the camry too expensive, and no one really appreciated the quality they removed.

stuff like single piece dash's to stop rattles.

aust cars aren't anywhere near the quality of toyota, but they are alot better than they once were. but they are cheaper/ square m, so still have popular following
 
[quote author=Jonathan_Ferguson link=board=1;threadid=14617;start=msg141041#msg141041 date=1082295013]
What is a CJ-7?
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Piece o' crap 4 wheelin' pretender. :D
 
[quote author=72cruiser link=board=1;threadid=14617;start=msg137523#msg137523 date=1081784665]
yeah, good point badreligion,

the jeep was designed by bantam and willys overland (sorta together, sorta not), so the car part is pretty much true.


malphrus
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actually bantom soley created the jeep design, in an astounding time frame as well.

willies was awarded the GI contract based on the assumation(probably correctly) that bantom could'nt meet the demands of the contract. i think bantom might of had 50 or less people employed. as a side note bantom was awarded a contract to biuld a few of the trailers for them.
 
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