Fan Blade thru Radiator

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So just bought a rig. PO had just put a new radiator/shround/fan blades in. Driving today and heard a boom. Little later overheat. The plastic fan blade litterally snapped off and threw itself into my radiator core.

Not sure if the PO or shop did the work. It is not like the fan blade hit anything or any crazy wheeling. Just accelerating down the road and POW.

All the parts look like they might be Toyota OEM so I'm going to see what I can do there if anything but Anyone think there is a way to save the radiator? I mean the thing probably didn't have more than the 100 miles I put on the rig. I'll get it out tomorrow night and see how bad the damage is but it pours out of the thing as quick as I can pour the water in. It just hurts to see a brand stinking new Aluminum Radiator go to waste.
 
SOMETHING had to have caused it. I have never heard of failure in that manner. How badly did it overheat? Any pics of the damage?
 
How much clearance between the fan & radiator? Did the fan break? Was it loose on it's mount? Check the motor mounts, there shouldn't be enough engine movement to let the fan hit the radiator unless something else was amiss.


X2 on pics.
 
I was on flat black road going from zero to maybe 15 MPH when it Kabanged!! I do have a Super Charger and I was flooring it. I'm thinking that the fan might be to close to the radiator and when the revs were way up there it was grabing enough air to flex it close enough to the rad and the rest was history. I will do some checks tonight (I'm going to go ride with someone else on the trails gosh darn it) and I will make sure to get some pics. Distance apears to be correct though on the fan blade and I didn't feel any wobble when turning it or when looking at it running.
 
I was on flat black road going from zero to maybe 15 MPH when it Kabanged!! I do have a Super Charger and I was flooring it. I'm thinking that the fan might be to close to the radiator and when the revs were way up there it was grabing enough air to flex it close enough to the rad and the rest was history. I will do some checks tonight (I'm going to go ride with someone else on the trails gosh darn it) and I will make sure to get some pics. Distance apears to be correct though on the fan blade and I didn't feel any wobble when turning it or when looking at it running.

Yes, there have been a couple of people who posted about this specific to the supercharger and the spacer they use. Apparently it is too close along with flex of fan under high speed. Look very carefully ahead of the puncture point on the radiator to see if the fins there are rubbed down in an arc; I'd suspect it started rubbing slightly under your accelerating and then just grabbed hold and had a big bang as you wrote.

I'm really sorry to hear this happening to your truck but just basically becuase you are going to have to fix things anyway, I'd suggest calling Dan or Beno and asking them about the "3.0 Fan" which from what I remember really works well and is a better fit for the 80 w/ SC. I'd also get another radiator from them then too. I'd also be curious exactly why the rad and fan and shroud were already replaced once? Do you know anything about that? :cheers:
 
I'd also be curious exactly why the rad and fan and shroud were already replaced once? Do you know anything about that? :cheers:

I too was wondering about that. Sounds like the same thing happened to the PO.
 
Need pics.

The supercharger ships with it's own ringed fan. Dan also sells an optional fan that is not ringed, but allows better clearance than the stock one would with a SC install.

My guess? The PO or the shop he used put on the SC but decided to use stock fans - a pic would help evaluate this.

IMHO YMMV
 
I'll get some pics tonight. I think the PO put it all in becuase the PO to the PO had over heating issues. The fan shroud still has the sticker on it from Toyota. I'm starting to see not that what I think happened is a true possibility. I'm sure PO didn't know that you put a different fan on and it was just to close. I guess that is what I get for stomping on it. Glad it happened down the street instead of out on the trail.

Electric fan anyone?
 
Going to go see if any radiator repair shops are open tomorrow. brand stanking new aluminum radiator toyota fan and shroud. SPENDY. I'm starting to hate the mods on this car already.

I wish I could do a CSI on this thing in slow mo. I think what happened was it caugh in the upper left spun around until the bottom and caught the shroud then proke off and the blades behind it then jammed it into the radiator. 5 miles down the road as I slow down it pops out and forth spews all of my water almost instantly.

Ohh and why the thoughts on just keeping the stock fan. Why not s***can that puppy and just go to an electric. I have heard from freinds that the PO of this car had a lot of overheating problems with the rig on the trails.

Definitely not a ringed fan. I wish the PO had paid attention to what is needed for these puppies. That extra gaurd would have saved a lot of headache and Moola.
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Wrong fan for a supercharged motor.

That fan has part number labels on it which means it is not the original blade. It is however a 1FZ blade.
It may be possible that the fan was replaced recently for some reason and whoever did it was not aware of the problem. It hit the radiator at high engine RPM because the blade tips flex forward at high RPM.
 
Yep,

PO just did it a couple hundred miles ago. Car has been sitting awhile though. I was to the floor on the pedal and on the shift it reved up even higher befor dropping into second and that is when the carnage happend. I've got 5 + years of extremely poor maintenance and don't give a s*** attidude that was given to this truck to catch up on. That and some extremely hard wheelign. I wasn't expecting this though. I'm no expert but when a car is built like this you have to pay attention to things. UGH!!!
 
When you go back togther with it use a 16361-65020 blade.
 
Going to go see if any radiator repair shops are open tomorrow. brand stanking new aluminum radiator toyota fan and shroud. SPENDY. I'm starting to hate the mods on this car already.

I wish I could do a CSI on this thing in slow mo. I think what happened was it caugh in the upper left spun around until the bottom and caught the shroud then proke off and the blades behind it then jammed it into the radiator. 5 miles down the road as I slow down it pops out and forth spews all of my water almost instantly.

Ohh and why the thoughts on just keeping the stock fan. Why not ****can that puppy and just go to an electric. I have heard from freinds that the PO of this car had a lot of overheating problems with the rig on the trails.

Definitely not a ringed fan. I wish the PO had paid attention to what is needed for these puppies. That extra gaurd would have saved a lot of headache and Moola.

Told ya it wasn't that hard to get it out. Doesn't look too bad but then again that water was pouring out of there almost as fast as we were putting it in.
That sucks dude.... let me know if you need any help comming up
 
It is the latter blade. Thank you for reminding me about the necessity to trim the shroud.

The ringed blade is a 16361-65010.
 
Holy cow that was a long thread. Still there was no update from you CruiserDan at the end.

How did the V6 Runner fan work out for you? Like I mentioned before my rig has been known to overheat out on the trails in the warm NC summers here. Or so I have heard from people who wheeled with the PO. I'm just interested in getting back on the road and more importantly never punching thru my Radiator ever again. What is the point of having a SC if you can't stomp on it every once in awhile. If I had more money laying around I probably would have just gone with an electric.
 
It works fine.
 
Long and Nerdy SC Fan BTDT

As a SC owner with intimate familiarity with the fan blade issue and stock fan modification, I'll put a couple .02 into this thread, and the other link referenced. I had the exact problem the OP mentioned with both the SC ringed fan, and the stock 1FEFZ 8-blader (in both trimmed and untrimmed form). I posted the clearance measures a couple years ago, and came to the same conclusion as Christo, it's the combination of shroud interference (SC vs 80 stocker) and engine>chassis flex that creates the radiator>fan munching. To that end, I explored several options to the stock 80 8-blade fan, including converting to dual electrics. IMO and research, the SC ringed fan is the desired alternative to the stock 80 fan. And I also believe it was (/is) chosen specifically by Toyota for the SC application because the blades are much better at maintaining a fixed-pitch than either the non ringed -65020 (V6 app), or the stock 80 application. (BTW side note: The Fan Blade specification is not mentioned nor required for CARB approval of the SC kit)

First off, the difference between 65010 (ring) and 65020 (non ring) is only the 'ring', the ringed (-65010) will be significantly more efficient fan at moving air. To Dan's comments in the other thread, the tests mentioned are not really relevant to draw the conclusions he did. Putting one's hand in the center of a fan blade is not where the pressure is generated, it's at the tips (ringed or non). Further, a ringed fan (often called a vortex fan ring - specifically for it's anti-vortex design properties) will create less, not more "vortex". A ringed fan will be significantly quieter (almost double actually), since the blade flex and 'eddy' at the tips of a non-ring fan are what creates fan noise. A 'louder' fan doesn't mean it's moving more air, and compared to a ringed fan, the opposite is exactly true.

A ringed fan is also better at preventing 'reverse flow' since the ring eliminates the reverse flow caused by the tips of the fan blades (called 'eddy reverse flow').

To the 'idle overheat' it's quite possible (and my observation/conclusion) that the real cause of SC overheat is the draft resistance at the engine side of the fan. The supercharger and/or dual battery setup causes excessively high draft resistance on the downstream side of the fan blades. Increasing low pressure zones on the downstream side of the fan blades is a better approach to address this problem (read: hood vents). As is increasing the upstream negative pressure before the radiator (aux pusher fan).

To the comment in the linked thread that the airflow 'hit's' the ring and stalls is not true, the design of the Mr. T -65010 ringed fan is a reverse venturi type, which is quite efficient at outflow properties of ring-fan air.

I do believe (and btdt) that the ringed fan will interfere with the lower shroud, especially if the motor/trans mounts are worn. I also know that the non ringed stocker will interfere with the lower shroud, and will flex enough to draw the blades quite far forward (2+inches on a stock 80 fan IIRC). Christo's 1.5in protection ring on the radiator to prevent injestion of the fan blades is good, but the tips of the fan blades will eventually fail, btdt. I see no practical way to use the 8 blade stocker, as it's flex is significant enough that 'major' trimming to the leading blade tips is required. Trimmed to the point that the ringed fan likely moves more air. BTTT with 2 stock 80 fan blades.

My conclusion? Mr. T specs that -65010 fan in the SC kit for good reason, it's the best 17in application fan Toyota makes. I think it's a tight fit on a new 80, and can be an shroud>interference fit on a high mileage 80. The trick is to modify the lower shroud, and/or replace the engine/trans mounts to reduce engine flex, then address the downstream low pressure zones to allow more radiator airflow out of the hood.

HTH and my .02

Scott J
94 FZJ80 Supercharged
16361-065010 equipped
 
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Blah, blah, blah,.....


Mine cools better with the non-ringed 65020, period. I don't really care what you think or how you rationalize it.
 
My conclusion?

Now your arguing with cruiserdan?

And don't ask me to prove to you why your wrong. That would be like me trying to explain to cruiserdan that he really doesnt have any hair. Some things just aren't worth explaining.
 
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