Factory 1HZT

[roscoFJ73]

Why would Toyota Australia care about a vehicle that was never sold there?

Here're the auction results from an HZB50 that was sold out of japan.
Toyota Coaster 1998 - sales at japan used cars auction

Here's an HZB56 that's currently for sale in NZ.
Bus detail
Here're the chassis and engine numbers, someone can run them and let us know.
TOYOTA COASTER 2001 (in White with Blue) : Plate: EGW367 | CarFax

Here's an HZB50
Bus detail
Unfortunately I can't quite read the plate.

Here's another HZB50, specifically listed as non-turbo.
Toyota Coaster HZB50 1996 for sale - TradeMe.co.nz - New Zealand

Here's your mythical HZB50 advertised as turbocharged.
TOYOTA COASTER (for 29 PASSENGERS) - JETRO TTPP(Trade Tie-up Promotion Program)

We have 1000s of HZB50 in oz but none are turbo.. There is a japanese site that sells hundreds of coasters with engine pics and none of the HZB Coasters had turbos.

The ones that did were labelled HDB50/30
None of your links mention they are turbo models(which would make them more attractive to a buyer)


Think about it rationally.Why wouldToyota make 2 turbo engines from 93-95 for one vehicle?
Coasters currently cost nearly $100000AUD ,what would they save by turboing a 1HZ at the factory?
My guess is the EPC is a mistake and where it says 1HZ T it should read 1HD T.
The EPC says they were sold in oz,Toyota aust says they were not sold here. The EPC is showing errors in more places than one

 

[Gerrit Loubser]

None of your links mention they are turbo models(which would make them more attractive to a buyer)

Except this one?

Here's your mythical HZB50 advertised as turbocharged.
TOYOTA COASTER (for 29 PASSENGERS) - JETRO TTPP(Trade Tie-up Promotion Program)

Or am I missing something?

 

[Dougal]

Think about it rationally.Why wouldToyota make 2 turbo engines from 93-95 for one vehicle?

Two very good reasons.
Emissions and noise.
The smoke startup of a direct injection diesel probably wasn't welcomed in many areas the buses would be working. Indirect injection is also quieter.

If they needed the combination of low startup smoke and turbocharged power, it'd make a lot of sense to simply turbo their IDI engine.

 

[PacToy]

I find it intersting how much faith people have in something that has never been seen in the flesh
Someone who no longer visits this site showed me a reference to the 1HZ T some years back.
That person and I looked long and hard for proof ,and there is none that I can see,except for this reference .

Engines Aust also have it mentioned in their catalog but not Toyota Aust :alarm bells ringing:

The proof is in the pudding gentlemen,and we have no pudding.

I'm with you Rosco.

I got into a good argument with my buddy about the 1HZ-T. I told him "no way".

My friend produced a Toyota brochure for a HZJ-79 with and optional engine 1HZ-T.

It was there black in white from Toyota.

I have never ever seen or heard of a 1HZ-T before I saw this special order brochure.

The only response I can say is, I've never seen one on a data plate.

 

[Gerrit Loubser]

My friend produced a Toyota brochure for a HZJ-79 with and optional engine 1HZ-T.

It was there black in white from Toyota.

In South Africa the Toyota dealers often fitted aftermarket turbo kits to brand new 80 Series or 100 Series (105 actually) vehicles equipped with 1HZ motors. I would imagine that the brochure you refer to was for a similarly converted new pick-up. I am quite certain that Cruisers never had factory 1HZ-T motors. Coaster busses are a different matter, though...

 

[PacToy]

In South Africa the Toyota dealers often fitted aftermarket turbo kits to brand new 80 Series or 100 Series (105 actually) vehicles equipped with 1HZ motors. I would imagine that the brochure you refer to was for a similarly converted new pick-up. I am quite certain that Cruisers never had factory 1HZ-T motors. Coaster busses are a different matter, though...

I'm with you on this.

Never heard or seen one but the brochure written in black and white offered a 1HZ-T. I'm just throwing that out there because it was right there in the brochure.

I can't argue that a 1HZ-T exists. Never seen or heard of one other than that brochure.

IMO, there was never a 1HZ-T from the factory and I will say that until a data plate proves otherwise.

 

[roscoFJ73]

Two very good reasons.
Emissions and noise.
The smoke startup of a direct injection diesel probably wasn't welcomed in many areas the buses would be working. Indirect injection is also quieter.

If they needed the combination of low startup smoke and turbocharged power, it'd make a lot of sense to simply turbo their IDI engine.

That doesnt hold water .
Japan and Europe, two of the worlds toughest markets when it comes to clean air policies, both have thousands of examples of HDJ 80 and 70 series and HDB50 Coasters.

This is what the ACSD is designed to do,to stop fuel rich exhaust smoke on start up.

Its also a well known fact that IDI turbo engine can rattle the precups off.
Its ok when you have owners with aftermarket turbos who fully understand their engines limitations.

But when you release a model into the general population,the kind of care it takes to get the IDI engine to last goes out the window.

Have you tried a search on Google for the 1HZ T???

 

[tmarx]

Ahh the mythical 1HZ T again...

BTW welcome Gerrit

 

[Dougal]

That doesnt hold water .
Japan and Europe, two of the worlds toughest markets when it comes to clean air policies, both have thousands of examples of HDJ 80 and 70 series and HDB50 Coasters.

This is what the ACSD is designed to do,to stop fuel rich exhaust smoke on start up.

Its also a well known fact that IDI turbo engine can rattle the precups off.
Its ok when you have owners with aftermarket turbos who fully understand their engines limitations.

But when you release a model into the general population,the kind of care it takes to get the IDI engine to last goes out the window.

Have you tried a search on Google for the 1HZ T???

The noise and emission aren't about meeting euro or japanese emissions standards, it's about customer perception.

Yes I have googled the HZT, that's how I got those buses I showed above, did you see the one for sale in japan with a 1HZ and a turbo?

I'm curious as to where all this denial is coming from. We've got toyotas EPC which lists parts for these engines, we've seen HZ-T stickers, we've got Mellet listing replacement turbos for them and buses for sale from japan with this engine listed.

It's pretty clear that it was never factory fitted to a landcruiser.
Yet we still have people unable to accept that this engine may exist.
It's almost like a flat-earth society gathering.

 

[PacToy]

The noise and emission aren't about meeting euro or japanese emissions standards, it's about customer perception.

Yes I have googled the HZT, that's how I got those buses I showed above, did you see the one for sale in japan with a 1HZ and a turbo?

I'm curious as to where all this denial is coming from. We've got toyotas EPC which lists parts for these engines, we've seen HZ-T stickers, we've got Mellet listing replacement turbos for them and buses for sale from japan with this engine listed.

It's pretty clear that it was never factory fitted to a landcruiser.
Yet we still have people unable to accept that this engine may exist.
It's almost like a flat-earth society gathering.

No worries, can you show us a data plate that states Engine: 1HZ-T?

I personally think it is a typo that has perculated through out Toyota docs.

 

[roscoFJ73]

The noise and emission aren't about meeting euro or japanese emissions standards, it's about customer perception.

Yes I have googled the HZT, that's how I got those buses I showed above, did you see the one for sale in japan with a 1HZ and a turbo?

Nope but I have seen lots of aftermarket jobs

I'm curious as to where all this denial is coming from. We've got toyotas EPC which lists parts for these engines, we've seen HZ-T stickers, we've got Mellet listing replacement turbos for them and buses for sale from japan with this engine listed.

Which denial are you talking,about yours perhaps?
We have not seen a 1HZ T sticker. We have seen a representation of what one would look like if you got a 1HD T sticker and replaced the D with a Z or added a T to a 1HZ sticker

It's pretty clear that it was never factory fitted to a landcruiser.

Thanks for stating the obvious.

Yet we still have people unable to accept that this engine may exist.
It's almost like a flat-earth society gathering.

When did you start having these feelings everyone was against you?

 

[crushers]

some of us are more "hands on" than "there it is in black and white, so it must be true"...

YOUR world was flat, till some 'grunt' proved otherwise. THEN science proceeded to change it's beliefs.

 

[PacToy]

some of us are more "hands on" than "there it is in black and white, so it must be true"...

YOUR world was flat, till some 'grunt' proved otherwise. THEN science proceeded to change it's beliefs.

What is a a grunt?

That just sounds funny coming from you!

 

[crushers]

a 'grunt' is anyone that works with his hands.
in your case a grunt would be a 'private' (i think that is the term)
a mech, sailor, cabinet maker, plumber, farmer, sawyer, electrician (although they seem to think they are better than the rest of us grunts).
i AM a grunt.

 

[PacToy]

a 'grunt' is anyone that works with his hands.
in your case a grunt would be a 'private' (i think that is the term)
a mech, sailor, cabinet maker, plumber, farmer, sawyer, electrician (although they seem to think they are better than the rest of us grunts).
i AM a grunt.

LOLs

I thought you were talking about the B series engines.

I still ruck my s*** where we need to go and I'm no private.

 

[Gerrit Loubser]

BTW welcome Gerrit

Thanks Theo. One thing is certain. The 1HZ-T (or rather the issue of its existence) seems to stir strong emotions .

 

[mac]

Dougal, have you heard a 1HD-T? They are anything but noisy, friend.

Either scenerio is possible. We all have typos in our FSM's. Just because a "brochure" lists a 1HZ-T as an option doesn't mean that it was a factory brochure or factory option. I could have a glossy "Toyota" brochure done up at my local print shop. Dealerships sometimes offer special packages and promote them this way. 80 series "collectors edition" comes to mind. On the other hand...

I don't think we can sum up Toyota's engine production based solely on what is offered in the few markets that most of us are familiar with. We don't have too many European or South American contributors and certainly few that are familiar with non-Cruiser engine applications.

What we really need is someone who knows- really knows. Toyota factory employee? Original purchaser? First hand testimony. Until then it's all speculation peppered with inflated egos.

Can someone tell me why it's soooo important anyway? Aren't there bigger issues in the world (even the 'Cruiser world) to get excited about?

 

[crushers]

Land Cruisers are like a faith, some will believe what ever they read (or are told), others need a miracle to believe.

 

[mac]

Land Cruisers are like a faith, some will believe what ever they read (or are told), others need a miracle to believe.

Well, if you use that scenerio- REAL faith is based on evidence and is not blind and is not miraculous. Both sides of this 1HZ-T argument could be termed "blind faithful".

 

[crushers]

LOL!!
oh boy, you really do not want to get me started on religion and faith.. if so then lets head off to chit-chat.
no 'blind' faith is needed to NOT believe something...