Cottonland Hunting/Shooting Thread

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Don't know if the internet rumor is correct, but back in the day and I assume at present time....personal weapons were not allowed while in uniform...regardless of the situation, and certainly not allowed on base/post/fort (on your person). Technically I think the navy officer has broken the rules...of course in the service when you break one rule...they throw 4 or 5 in there to charge you with..just in case they missed something. I thought I saw a link to a navy officer that had a weapon.

here is something I just googled

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...ng-personal-weapon-chattanooga-gunman/317947/
 
yes and no.

no weapons on post (active or guard) BUT some governors are changing their stance on it. Ive heard some states have authorized concel carry, not sure I believe that due to the fact an active shooter situation would be a nightmare for MPs.

The LT CMDR in TN was in the parking lot and retrieved the weapon from his car. IF he was in the building he could be prosecuted.

Now, WHY THE HECK they would do that......you got me. I am sure, in the moment, he thought.....better tried by 12 than carried by 6. which proved to be the right call.




day 2 of "active shooter" at Shelby. My new policy is not to ask my guys what is in their gym bag at work!
 
There are no safe places anymore, especially "gun free" zones.
 
There are no safe places anymore, especially "gun free" zones.

I used to just carry when I was going some where sketchy, then I started carrying every time I left the house, now I carry every time I leave the house and carry two spare mags with me. Another couple of years go by and I probably just won't leave the house without armed robot sentries.
 
yes and no.

no weapons on post (active or guard) BUT some governors are changing their stance on it. Ive heard some states have authorized concel carry, not sure I believe that due to the fact an active shooter situation would be a nightmare for MPs.

The LT CMDR in TN was in the parking lot and retrieved the weapon from his car. IF he was in the building he could be prosecuted.

Now, WHY THE HECK they would do that......you got me. I am sure, in the moment, he thought.....better tried by 12 than carried by 6. which proved to be the right call.




day 2 of "active shooter" at Shelby. My new policy is not to ask my guys what is in their gym bag at work!


yeah but the Governor only controls the national guard folks and does not make rules relative to the federal military bases...I'm still of the opinion that let the police do their work...its not a war zone around the recruiting offices just because some single idiot runs amok. I just don't think the situation arises to the level of everyone get a weapon. So far from what little I"ve seen the federal side has not taken a position on small arms for active duty and reserve recruiters. I'm sure there are literally thousands of recruiting offices around the country. national guard, reserve, active duty * all the services.

I'm a veteran and I'll be the first one to say I don't want any of the service members to be a target or be exposed to criminal acts of any type. But hard for me (in my mind) to justify the arming of all the recruiters across teh USA based on one single idiots actions...not matter if murder or whatever...it was a single individuals action. But if the intel says otherwise...then take precautions as appropriate. If that happens I'm just guessing that the recruiting business may dry up to very low level.

I'm all for the guys in uniform....I hope it does not get into a position where the situation merits that recruiters or others in uniform need to be armed Stateside. Excluding law enforcement types and others (in uniform or plainclothes)...talking about military types.
 
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I kinda see your point, Elbert but let me take a stab at this.

As a former ANG member you are correct about the Guard having a State mission. They also have a Federal mission and can be tasked by either. But, to the point, do you CC? Are you protective of your right to CC if you should choose to do so? Why should a properly trained and licensed serviceman concern you more than any random individual you might meet on the street? This world is becoming a scary place and I want the right to protect myself and my family. I don't think that's too much to ask.... even for a recruiter.
 
yeah but the Governor only controls the national guard folks and does not make rules relative to the federal military bases...I'm still of the opinion that let the police do their work...its not a war zone around the recruiting offices just because some single idiot runs amok. I just don't think the situation arises to the level of everyone get a weapon. So far from what little I"ve seen the federal side has not taken a position on small arms for active duty and reserve recruiters. I'm sure there are literally thousands of recruiting offices around the country. national guard, reserve, active duty * all the services.

I'm a veteran and I'll be the first one to say I don't want any of the service members to be a target or be exposed to criminal acts of any type. But hard for me (in my mind) to justify the arming of all the recruiters across teh USA based on one single idiots actions...not matter if murder or whatever...it was a single individuals action. But if the intel says otherwise...then take precautions as appropriate. If that happens I'm just guessing that the recruiting business may dry up to very low level.

I'm all for the guys in uniform....I hope it does not get into a position where the situation merits that recruiters or others in uniform need to be armed Stateside. Excluding law enforcement types and others (in uniform or plainclothes)...talking about military types.

We are splitting hairs with federal verse state. All armed fed and state in military uniform are full time active duty trained service members.

ISIS has put a target on my back from the time i pull out of my garage until i return. I see daily intel briefs..... I CC period.

Not Every service member is armed nor is that in the works.... We have adjusted our threat posture per the Governor and adjutant general to defend ourselves, military property, and your tax dollars per the rules of engagement outlined for us.
 
Seems like a great place to park to me.

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I kinda see your point, Elbert but let me take a stab at this.

As a former ANG member you are correct about the Guard having a State mission. They also have a Federal mission and can be tasked by either. But, to the point, do you CC? Are you protective of your right to CC if you should choose to do so? Why should a properly trained and licensed serviceman concern you more than any random individual you might meet on the street? This world is becoming a scary place and I want the right to protect myself and my family. I don't think that's too much to ask.... even for a recruiter.

There is far more to this story than a person's right to protect themselves...as we all know who have served...you give up a lot while in uniform...a lot!... not equating that to the story but its part of it. Historically personal weapons are not permitted on post (have to be locked up) and not allowed to be on your person in uniform while stateside (as far as concealed carry or carry at all).

I do have a CC permit, but to be truthful I don't carry weapons around with me that often. The environment I live in is not hostile and I go directly to jail if I were to carry one (gun) on my person or in my car to work. I'm not concerned about the idea of a uniformed member having a weapon per se... I'm saying the reaction is not proportional to the root cause. I'm around people in uniform probably more than most except for anyone here who is active duty... I work on a military installation...at times I'm in quasi-in-charge of some military folks (officers with regard to their work product..)....I'm a former enlisted guy in Field Artillery....I've deployed ..etc (not about me) but I'm ok with guns as long as I understand the other guy knows what he is doing as well. Again I'm only pointing out the reaction to the event in question. We are not in a war zone here in the states. I'm aware of the different functions etc of the guard and they can function under federal control when "federalized"....title 10 vs title 32.

I've been to places while in uniform where guns are like toys ....everyone has one or can get one or worse. I support the rights of all us to be responsible and own the weapons of your choice

Not debating about the right to own weapons.... When one lunatic acts....we should not go overboard in the reaction. Unless something else comes to light...all I know is some single idiot acted on his on deranged motives....outside of that I don't see the response to be arm the "crew".
Is there some reason to believe that soldiers stateside are potential targets based on one idiots actions?...thats what I'm trying to paint a picture of. I just don't agree with the concept that recruiters or other uniformed members need weapons in their day to day functions off military installations within the US....

I lived with an M-16 and all the ammo I could lug around for 9 months way back in the early 90's...first gulf war, I've been to an through the line of death in Iraq...etc... that was a war zone....maybe if I lived in Chicago or somewhere I would see it differently. I have hearing loss from being exposed to so much fire from 8inch howitzers, 155 howitzers, MLRS, when the sounds wave pass through your body (concussion) just from the firing end ...not the receiving end. I'm no hero, but I've served and served in combat....I value the right to own weapons in our democratic society and I value the right for a person to be responsible and defend their person and family as appropriate. The questions of arming the recruiters does not equate with those ideals in my view.

I've served the country in war and peace while in uniform...and I've been to war... SO you could say I've fought for the right to own weapons and function as we do as Americans and all that goes with that.along with all the freedoms we value..nothing I'm saying has anything to do with gun control or concealed carry or the right to do so. reaction to the single event is not proportional or proper in my view ...to arm the recruiters... Just my view, I'm no hero or some former special ops guy... trying to covey that one chooses a proportional response to the action at hand.

The reality of allowing recruiters to be armed with a MIl issue pistol or permission to have a personal firearm opens up a pandora's box with regard to all kinds of issues. Don't think that every military member is fully trained with regard to use of weapons, when and where and essentially what a policeman would have in regard to use of deadly force... Not true by a long shot, don't think wearing the uniform equates to all things weapons and the good sense on when or where to use that weapon. Police officers have some involved training before they are given permission to be armed..... fighting wars and life and death on the battle field are far different than working downtown within the constraints of a civil society. I believe we have a police force and multiple federal / county law enforcement types... to use. When a single lunatic acts our response should be measured and relevant and proportional, if its a war-zone then all hands on deck and everyone needs to cover their own ass. I don't see the war zone just yet and I hope we don't ever see that here in the States...

http://www.armytimes.com/story/mili...economy-puts-recruiting-effort-risk/31543507/
 
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So an ISIS threat against our folks in uniform is not adequate in your mind? Sounds like you are buying in to the "crazed" gunman that was not a Muslim threat. And That other deal was about a movie too?

I'm half joking here but we will just have to agree to disagree. Also, I think you place far too much confidence in our various police orgs. I am sure there are many fine and well trained officers out there but also a fair number of Barney Fifes. I had a conversation just today with a small town police officer. We were discussing a new patrolman recently added to the force. Three months on the job patrolling as a fully trained and qualified officer. Only problem is he hasn't been to training yet. Should go soon. I feel much better.
 
We are splitting hairs with federal verse state. All armed fed and state in military uniform are full time active duty trained service members.

ISIS has put a target on my back from the time i pull out of my garage until i return. I see daily intel briefs..... I CC period.

Not Every service member is armed nor is that in the works.... We have adjusted our threat posture per the Governor and adjutant general to defend ourselves, military property, and your tax dollars per the rules of engagement outlined for us.


yes I drive through the post gates gates every day of a major military installation. Threat postures have changed...I won't expand further on that.
what I will speak to is just in the public domain...certainly in the public domain are stories about terrorist threats to stateside locations and mil personnel and mil iinstallations.

I would not risk one solders life over anything.... obviously I'm not a decision maker on risk to mil members life and property...so I defer to those who are. I would assume again that if the situation got serious....there would be other actions taken...I'm not blind that one plans for things that should not be discussed . If the threat and risk is deemed "high" then I'm all for taking whatever measures are appropriate. That goes without saying and I'm sure and have confidence that will happen. What I see now (all know) is that state governors are doing various things....

I'll leave it at that.... I don't know the real intel obviously....I defer to the "stars" to render a call on arming the uniformed members in public...if they choose to do that..then I'm sure there is reason for it.

Not trying to stir the pot with anyone....so I'll just leave it at that...no further comment on this subject from me.
 
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If our NCOs and Officers are not qualified enough to carry handguns then they need more qualifications.

I drive through 40 towns a week that the local cops are a joke. I would MUCH rather have an E-4 carrying a firearm than rely on those fat clowns to "protect" them.
 
Just an observation but those recruiting stations and most Guard and Reserve units don't have those "post gates" with threat postures we don't want to discuss. If you were looking to enter heaven and claim your virgins where would you think about getting the process started? Protect them, let them protect themselves, or shut them down and bring them back onto the Rez.
 
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I have not taken the time to get my CC but I still carry. I never trusted the shelby co government when they post all the names of who had them. I am a risk taker I guess.

The only person I trust is myself. These asshats are spending my money like a baller in a scrip club.

Protect thy self because you care more about you life than anyone else. We are just NUMBERS to our government.
 
Is there some reason to believe that soldiers stateside are potential targets based on one idiots actions?...

The answer to this is yes. These fools are doing their homework is all I'll say at this point...
 
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