C02 tank mounting suggestions..

[ZPDFJ]

Thinking about buying a C02 tank system. I was wondering if anyone has knowledge of a thread on how to mount the bracket in the back of an 80. I dont have a drawer system, and my 3rd row is removed. I thought someone has to have dealt with this already. I tried several searches but came up with nothing.

Thought I remembered someone fabbing up something for the 3rd row seat bracket??

 

[SOCALFJ]

Go into FAQ in the 80's tech section. There's a link there to all photos and details on this. Brentbba, Boston Mangler have both made nice ones.

 

[ZPDFJ]

thanks sir...

 

[LandCrusher'70]

I suggest you get a YORK and not worry about mounting a bracket inside your rig.

 

[ZPDFJ]

Just off-hand what do you think that will cost me in parts and installation? I was looking at a C02 package at about 219+ shipping from wheelersoffroad.com. How would this compare?

 

[Brentbba]

Great debate. Air available at all times with a compressor or faster fill ups but risk of running out of CO2 to begin with.

 

[Bluetribal]

I don't think the risk would be running out of co2 if you just made a point to fill it before every other trip. I think the biggest problem would be the regulator freezing up. But then again you have to worry about a belt breaking on a York. Plus you can get oil in your tires from a York set-up.

 

[SOCALFJ]

We run C02 for two reasons. Reliability and Simplicity. C02 will never break down. It will never seize up. Its super simple and reliable. I dont have to carry tools to fix it. I dont have 10 connections that can fail. I can run it if my battery is dead and with my engine shut off. Yorks can break down. They also demand you to carry a modified belt or a different belt from another rig. We want our engine compartment to be as stock as possible. I dont need extra electrical, plumbing, pulleys, tank and brackets. I want to be able to get a belt anywhere anytime and not have to remember which belt it was that the york took.

But there's two sides to each setup ...... you can run out of C02.... and then you're screwed. You need to monitor and plan accordingly. Yes we fill it before every major trip. Also, it seems like C02 keeps getting more and more expensive to fill. If you go out all the time, it can get costly.

The other thing is, i've never seen a York fail ever. I've used a york on the trail and they're amazing, they work just as good as c02. With the correct setup, i see no problems with it. Like i said earlier, i just wanted our setup as simple as possible. Yorks are free once you have paid for the parts.

In closing, shoot go with whatever you like. They're both excellent choices IMHO.

 

[fj80toyman]

I'm a 'double-redundant' kind of guy, therefore I have as my main source the 10lb CO2 tank, with a 12V compressor and tank as backup. Generally when airing back up, I do use both, but with the tank, I'll get 3 tires full to 1 with the compressor. The compressor is slow, but reliable. And it's always there in the back - don't always carry the CO2 tank with me.

Another thing with CO2, in order to refill, the tank has to be empty (at least that's what I've been told). That waists money unless you're really on top of how much you've got left vs. how much you 'think' you'll need. That's why the backup. CO2 is getting to be more expensive too. My first fill was about $13, my last fill was around $19. The one reliable source for it around here got bought out, first thing they did was raise prices.

All that being said, I would like to go 'triple redundant' and get a York. Outlook is not good, supercharger is right where it would go. Have to stick with what I've got, I'm happy with it.

 

[gon2srf]

CO2=Instant Air Tools

I don't know a thing about the York compressor but I am sure that with a tank it is quite capable.

CO2 is very quiet. I like quiet.


With my CO2 I easily get 125lbs. and am able to pop a bead back on no worries. I changed a spare tire Nascar style with my air tools and last year I broke a front axle then used the CO2 and air chisel to break apart the broken axle from the Birfield.

I likey my CO2.

I have a good quality low end compressor as a back up.

In Costa Mesa you can fill up on the spot at Seal's Gases for $12 plus tax.

 

[Bluetribal]

Another thing with CO2, in order to refill, the tank has to be empty (at least that's what I've been told). That waists money unless you're really on top of how much you've got left vs. how much you 'think' you'll need.

I did not know that, any confirmation? It kinda makes sense, but never thought of it.

 

[SOCALFJ]

Yep, everytime they top mine off, they just release whatever C02 is in the tank. They can't top it off like propane. It's different somehow. I dont know why. Makes for a loud hissing noise though I try to always run it out before i take it over to my guys.

 

[LandCrusher'70]

Just off-hand what do you think that will cost me in parts and installation?

My set-up is the same $ as a GOOD CO2 set-up. You can go cheap or expensive. There is a YORK build thread in the 80's tech section right now.

But then again you have to worry about a belt breaking on a York. Plus you can get oil in your tires from a York set-up.

PM the belt just like you would any other belt on your rig, and the risk of losing a belt is greatly reduced.

No oil gets into the tires when they're set-up properly! I was young, stupid, and inexperienced . . . All is good now.

The YORK is a bomb proof setup and one time shot. Set it up (right the first time) and you'll never need to do anything else with it. No more $$$ to invest. And it's basically an invisible install. Unless someone sees the QR air chucks on the bumper, or if I have my hood open, no one knows it's there.
+ I see no reason why someone could not get a second battery in there. I'm pretty sure someone HAS done this.

I was hooked on getting an OBA setup after a run with Scott. I'd never been on a run where someone CARRIED AIR and aired up/down at will. I was going the CO2 route when I discovered the YORK setup.

BTW: I would take a YORK over a Supercharger any day. A YORK is fast . . .

 

[Brentbba]

In Costa Mesa you can fill up on the spot at Seal's Gases for $12 plus tax.

I use the same place. Quick and convenient.

 

[Newps]

Another option is to get a 10-gallon tank and a good quality air compressor. This is what the mini-truckers have been doing for years. The new compressors on the market are now pretty quite. This is the route I’m going. Having had the CO2 system, it’s a pain in the ass. My 5-gallon tank can only fill my tires once. The cost of the equipment and the 15-dollar refills every time, makes no sense to me.

 

[Bluetribal]

That's true, I was going to do that when I finally bagged my S-10.
Kinda Pricey Name Brand Mini Truck Stuff: LINK

But you would need to mount the compressor inside if you plan to play in any water crossings. And even a quiet one would be pretty loud.

 

[fj80toyman]

BTW: I would take a YORK over a Supercharger any day. A YORK is fast . . .

hehe, too-shay!

...still lookin' for those 6.5 psi tires I can run

 

[Boston Mangler]

There arent many topics that i will claim to be an expert in, but i will say "Yorks and On Board Air" in general is something i have been using for a LONG time and have setup DOZENS of various rigs with Yorks and such.

I was one of the first folks to install a york on a Heep and many others have followed my exact setup and i have installed a lot of york systems.

I will give my two cents based on ACTUAL experience, not internet read hooey, which about on-board air there seems to be alot of.

First off, the Yorks ARE amazing compressors and pump a ton of air, but arent all that bombproof as people are claiming. I have seen with my own two eyes two BRAND NEW, properly oiled compressors explode in less then 30 mins of use! On the flipside i have seen some 30 year old units run flawless for years! When they let go, it is UGLY and can wreak havoc on your engine!

We used to go to the local yards and pull ALL of the Volvo and Mustang yorks we could find, clean them up, test them and sell them to a club member, or install them into something! In the estimated 20-30 yorks i have pulled and sold or installed over the years 2 of them seized up and 1 just down right exploded. All failing Yorks were properly oiled, etc....

Another thing that has always stumped me about Yorks is the mysterious "Oil Blowby" issues. I have pulled 20-30 year old compressors and used them for years with ZERO blowby and i have used BRAND UNITS that pissed oil like a race horse. Some have blowby and some dont, doesnt seem to be any rhyme or reason.

One thing i will say is a COMPLETE INTERNET myth is the whole "Oil Blowby Fix Mod". It doesnt work, plain and simple. I have personally tried and tested this several times with ZERO change after the mod was done.

QUOTE ME ON THIS REID : Mounting a York requires a lot more attention to detail then most folks are using. The yorks are fawwwwwking HEAVY and to have all of that weight of a york mounted on 4 almost inline bolts (not sure if this is the bracket YOU are using or not) on the top of an already senstive cylinder head (without anything on the lower portion of it mounted solidly to prevent all the weight from pulling on those holes) is a RECIPE FOR DISASTER. Quote me on this!

I started running a C02 tank when i got my 80 because i didnt want the weight of the York putting all the stress on an already senstive head and i can honestly say that i think its the perfect solution for reasons that Dave mentions. I cant believe i am agreeing with Dave on 2 different topics in a 2 months span!

We run C02 for two reasons. Reliability and Simplicity. C02 will never break down. It will never seize up. Its super simple and reliable. I dont have to carry tools to fix it. I dont have 10 connections that can fail. I can run it if my battery is dead and with my engine shut off.

All 100% true and why i am running Co2 over a York and will continue to do so

Yorks can break down.

Yes, and the results can be VERY ugly when they do!

I dont need extra electrical, plumbing, pulleys, tank and brackets. I want to be able to get a belt anywhere anytime and not have to remember which belt it was that the york took.

Another excellent point!

But there's two sides to each setup ...... you can run out of C02.... and then you're screwed. You need to monitor and plan accordingly. Yes we fill it before every major trip. Also, it seems like C02 keeps getting more and more expensive to fill. If you go out all the time, it can get costly.

Very true, but welding supply places tend to never change their prices, i have filled mine a whole bunch of times and its usually a $17 exchange, i dont have any fancy foo foo colored tank, so i just exhange it.

The other thing is, i've never seen a York fail ever.

I have and its very ugly, do a search in the jeep forums, if they fail the whole thing seizes, throws a belt and can be very costly, there are a decent amount of documented incidents with jeepers having issues (aside from owning a heep) with Yorks and seizing them

I've used a york on the trail and they're amazing, they work just as good as c02. With the correct setup, i see no problems with it.

I agree. But they are very fickle!

The YORK is a bomb proof setup and one time shot. Set it up (right the first time) and you'll never need to do anything else with it.

You'll learn!

I A YORK is fast . . .

Hell Yes they are!

 

[Slomo]

I am running an Extreme Aire and love it. It airs up my 35's from 15 psi to 31 psi in about 12 min and has a 100% duty cycle. I am not into having to fill anything up every time I go wheeling except the gas tank. Mounts sweet to the same third row bracket as Brents too.




Still can't believe that Kevin has agreed with Dave twice! Let alone in 2 months.

 

[Boston Mangler]

I am running an Extreme Aire and love it.

Yes, i completely forgot to comment on this option, and 12v compressors are a great option, but you MUST do your homework! Some of the most expensive units are the slowest and most prone to fail and then some of the cheapies are much faster with 100% duty cycle. For me, personally, i am WAYYYY to impatient to wait for any of them!

Still can't believe that Kevin has agreed with Dave twice! Let alone in 2 months.

I know, its freaking me out!