Bilstein 6112/5160 Installed (2 Viewers)

[bloc]

I'm glad I had marked the cams when I had installed the lift. Because it looks like the tech didn't touch the driver's side cams at all, and if I'm interpreting the cams correctly, the front cam is maxed out in the positive direction, so the tech definitely could have brought it in more negative if he had tried. Passenger side front cam is likewise nearly maxed out in positive direction, could have brought it more negative, but he didn't. Here are pics of the cams where I had marked them (in yellow).

I've done the calculations on how to bring it in based on this: Toyota Land Cruiser: Front wheel alignment - Suspension & Axle - http://www.tlacruiser.com/front_wheel_alignment-527.html and I'm tempted to do that part myself, and then take it in to them to get it aligned a 2nd time (no cost) - all this just to get the caster where it should be.

Passenger side:

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Driver side:

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Do you have UCAs? If not they may be able to get it better but still not quite in spec.

I’d bet the side they moved isn’t torqued to spec either. The number is quite high and most of these shops go by feel.. well, ours feel very very tight when it’s correct.

I’ve had good luck with Jerry’s alignment shop in pflugerville, and I drive up there from south Austin. Great guys and very cost effective. Just make sure to ask for the printout ahead of time, and to torque the nuts to spec. 207ft-lb.

 

[iowacruiser]

Hey folks - I was just about to pull the trigger on the Bilstein 6112/5160 suspension kit sans rear springs + OME 2720 springs through AJUSA & they did disclaim that Bilstein has not verified if the 6112/5160’s will work on a ‘21. Is this just a formality?
FYI, I just got a ‘21 HE. Looking to keep the lift minimal while reducing rake & adding some sag prevent with the OME 2720.
Thanks in advance!

 

[nolamule]

They will fit without issue but you will need to dial in the front perch setting to your liking with the OME rear springs.

Not sure if you have the third row or not, but if you do NOT and want to sell your rear springs please let me know. I added front OEM spacers to my base ‘21 and want to try HE rear springs for fun.

Hey folks - I was just about to pull the trigger on the Bilstein 6112/5160 suspension kit sans rear springs + OME 2720 springs through AJUSA & they did disclaim that Bilstein has not verified if the 6112/5160’s will work on a ‘21. Is this just a formality?
FYI, I just got a ‘21 HE. Looking to keep the lift minimal while reducing rake & adding some sag prevent with the OME 2720.
Thanks in advance!

 

[iowacruiser]

They will fit without issue but you will need to dial in the front perch setting to your liking with the OME rear springs.

Not sure if you have the third row or not, but if you do NOT and want to sell your rear springs please let me know. I added front OEM spacers to my base ‘21 and want to try HE rear springs for fun.

Thank you - I was thinking of trying the #1 perch to start. Hoping that the shorter OME 2720’s don’t lift my rear much or at all (any thoughts there?).
And my rig does not have the third row & if I do go fwd, I’ll definitely hit you up & get you the springs.
Thanks again

 

[nolamule]

Not sure of the specifics with the setup you are considering. Are you doing this install yourself? If so, if might be worth measuring and doing the rear swap first to get an idea of the change before doing the front and setting the perch. Keep us posted.

 

[Nola622]

It is good advice to do the rear spring / shock swap first and then select which perch to set the fronts at. I don't think you will get any lift from 2720 when coming from 2 row heritage edition rear coils. The 2720 coils are much shorter than HE coils, but they are thicker. It is possible that you will have less rear height with 2720 than you do with stock HE coils if there is no added weight in the back.

And yes - nothing changed on the 2021, the Bilsteins will fit the same.

 

[samster747]

Following this thread very closely as I'm pretty sure the bilsteins are what I want to install on my 2020 HE. Only questions really are which springs to use in the rear. Anyone know how different or similar HE springs would be compared to OME 2720 or 2721? My initial plan was to install airbags in the rear as well so I could avoid the squat look as much as possible. I don't normally carry weight....only when camping season comes around and I put up the RTT (ikamper) and carry a good load in the rear since we're a family of four. This includes a fridge. I'm probably planning on putting a goose gear mounting plate in the rear with one of their fridge slide/stove slide combo kits. So fully loaded, probably looking at 300-400 lbs in the rear not including the RTT. The front I planned on perch 4 so I could get roughly 2" of lift. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

 

[tdcruiser406080100]

Following this thread very closely as I'm pretty sure the bilsteins are what I want to install on my 2020 HE. Only questions really are which springs to use in the rear. Anyone know how different or similar HE springs would be compared to OME 2720 or 2721? My initial plan was to install airbags in the rear as well so I could avoid the squat look as much as possible. I don't normally carry weight....only when camping season comes around and I put up the RTT (ikamper) and carry a good load in the rear since we're a family of four. This includes a fridge. I'm probably planning on putting a goose gear mounting plate in the rear with one of their fridge slide/stove slide combo kits. So fully loaded, probably looking at 300-400 lbs in the rear not including the RTT. The front I planned on perch 4 so I could get roughly 2" of lift. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

I am about the same as you on the Bilsteins. So I have been trying to figure out rear springs also.

I think our HE rear coils are about an inch higher than standard 200s. And the 2721s are approx 1” or so higher than the HE springs. WAG method.

My measurements last August with a couple hundred lbs of stuff in the back.
Center of wheel to inside edge of fender.
Front: 20”
Rear: 21-7/8”
*Drivers & Passenger side were exactly the same.

What are your hub to fender measurements?

I have kings 2.5 shocks installed on mine. Just ordered a TJM T13 bumper and a winch so I'm going to have to adjust the shocks again. The first installation had the fronts at 21.5 which is a bit low for a 2" lift. Would it be crazy to adjust them to 22.25 - 22.5 in the fronts? I don't want to...

forum.ih8mud.com

Quotes from the post above: *10mm is approx 3/8”
I just installed OME 2702 and rear 2721 +10mm rear trim spacers and am at:
Front right - 22.5
Front left - 22.75
Rear right - 23
Rear left - 23

Another quote:
stock suspension and stock tires
front:
driver - 19
pass - 19.5
rear
driver - 20.5
pass - 21

So that might be some clues!
My suspension has dropped about 1/4” from last August.
But I do have drawers full of tools and Slee sliders now.

I do want a bit af rake for towing. I’ve found the stock rear HE coils fine for towing with an equalizer hitch.

Probably should install rear coils first to estimate front shock position...

 

[iowacruiser]

I am about the same as you on the Bilsteins. So I have been trying to figure out rear springs also.

I think our HE rear coils are about an inch higher than standard 200s. And the 2721s are approx 1” or so higher than the HE springs. WAG method.

My measurements last August with a couple hundred lbs of stuff in the back.
Center of wheel to inside edge of fender.
Front: 20”
Rear: 21-7/8”
*Drivers & Passenger side were exactly the same.

What are your hub to fender measurements?

I have kings 2.5 shocks installed on mine. Just ordered a TJM T13 bumper and a winch so I'm going to have to adjust the shocks again. The first installation had the fronts at 21.5 which is a bit low for a 2" lift. Would it be crazy to adjust them to 22.25 - 22.5 in the fronts? I don't want to...

forum.ih8mud.com

Quotes from the post above: *10mm is approx 3/8”
I just installed OME 2702 and rear 2721 +10mm rear trim spacers and am at:
Front right - 22.5
Front left - 22.75
Rear right - 23
Rear left - 23

Another quote:
stock suspension and stock tires
front:
driver - 19
pass - 19.5
rear
driver - 20.5
pass - 21

So that might be some clues!
My suspension has dropped about 1/4” from last August.
But I do have drawers full of tools and Slee sliders now.

I do want a bit af rake for towing. I’ve found the stock rear HE coils fine for towing with an equalizer hitch.

Probably should install rear coils first to estimate front shock position...

Very helpful - thank you! Glad I consulted you guys! I may try the Bilstein set-up with the stock HE coils first & see how it looks & performs before jumping to the OME 2720s. I actually wasn't aware there was a difference in the HE & standard coils.

 

[nolamule]

What is not known at this point is whether the HE w/ third row and a HE w/o third row use the same rear springs.

 

[iowacruiser]

What is not known at this point is whether the HE w/ third row and a HE w/o third row use the same rear springs.

Also good to know - I’ll take measurements & share when I move fwd. thanks

 

[rcork]

Thank you - I was thinking of trying the #1 perch to start. Hoping that the shorter OME 2720’s don’t lift my rear much or at all (any thoughts there?).
And my rig does not have the third row & if I do go fwd, I’ll definitely hit you up & get you the springs.
Thanks again

What is not known at this point is whether the HE w/ third row and a HE w/o third row use the same rear springs.

Actually nolamule, bloc and others have figured out that HE 3rd row and HE 2 row rear springs are indeed different.

2021 heritage suspension

So, I traded the 2020 always dirty black for a 2021 silver. The 2021 has 3rd row and sits about 2.25" lower in the back. I can't tell a difference in the ride really except I'm sitting more level, which is nice. This got me thinking, could I not just put the longer springs on and have a...

forum.ih8mud.com

To keep on the Bilstein subject in this thread...
I had a 2020 HE 2 row and the rear hub center to wheel arch measured at 22.5 RR and 22.25 LR in stock form. I could not tell the gas level because I was literally measuring it on the dealer lot where I traded it in. I recall it had about 1/2 tank of gas when I dropped it off.
Last week, I had decided I was going to order the 2 row rear springs to lift the rear of my 2021 3 row and lift the front with the Toyota spacers. Having read this entire thread this weekend, I went ahead and ordered the Bilstein 6112/5160 and Bilstein rear springs. I'd be happy to ship my factory rear springs to you iowacruiser so you can send your 2 row rear springs to nolamule.
Best,
Robert

 

[nolamule]

It was determined that 2020 HE and base springs were different (verified by part numbers) but there is no consensus if the 2021 HE with third row gets base springs or original 2020 HE springs. Unless I missed the later information somewhere along the way.

Actually nolamule, bloc and others have figured out that HE 3rd row and HE 2 row rear springs are indeed different.

 

[rcork]

It was determined that 2020 HE and base springs were different (verified by part numbers) but there is no consensus if the 2021 HE with third row gets base springs or original 2020 HE springs. Unless I missed the later information somewhere along the way.

nolamule,
Now I understand. I'll go put a caliper on the 2021 HE 3rd row spring today. With the naked eye the 2021 3 row HE spring looks thicker and shorter than the 2020 2 row HE spring but I'll get a real measurement for you.
Robert

 

[rcork]

Nolamule, sorry we had a bit of an ice storm and I didn’t get to the lift until today. I took a couple pictures and some measurements. I seem to remember someone had these paint marks on some base springs, Maybe Eric Sarjeant posted a picture? I am terrible at searching this forum. In any case I'm waiting for my Bilstein order and then I'll get whatever measurements I can.

Left Rear

Right Rear

Left Rear

Right Rear

 

[iqbal624]

Has anyone installed these on the top perch?
I'm leaning towards the top perch and just got my 2722's delivered today. Also ended up ordering OME UCA's so hopefully those will be here next week.

 

[Angelo1]

Any reason going with Blistein vs BP-51. Just simply asking as I’ve never had either of those setups.

 

[iqbal624]

Any reason going with Blistein vs BP-51. Just simply asking as I’ve never had either of those setups.

In my mind, they’re for two different applications. On previous rigs, I’ve had 6112/5160’s and dobinsons and greatly preferred the Bilstein’s. I really considered the BP-51’s and the added adjustability they offer and their reputation of being a great off-road suspension. However, I went with the Bilsteins because of the “set it and forget it” application paired with the low maintenance aspect of them.
IMO, they’re both good options but given the amount I was already putting into the build paired with my previous satisfaction of the Bilsteins, I chose the 6112/5160 combo.

I know that suspension isn’t the best place to “skimp” but I didn’t feel as if I was compromising too much based on my ability and application.

maybe one day when the suspension is what is holding me back, I’ll upgrade to the bp51’s.

 

[Angelo1]

In my mind, they’re for two different applications. On previous rigs, I’ve had 6112/5160’s and dobinsons and greatly preferred the Bilstein’s. I really considered the BP-51’s and the added adjustability they offer and their reputation of being a great off-road suspension. However, I went with the Bilsteins because of the “set it and forget it” application paired with the low maintenance aspect of them.
IMO, they’re both good options but given the amount I was already putting into the build paired with my previous satisfaction of the Bilsteins, I chose the 6112/5160 combo.

I know that suspension isn’t the best place to “skimp” but I didn’t feel as if I was compromising too much based on my ability and application.

maybe one day when the suspension is what is holding me back, I’ll upgrade to the bp51’s.

Right on. Yeah I was just curious as I’m no expert on suspension systems. I absolutely understand wanting the “set it and forget it” aspect. Sounds like a great setup for your purpose and probably most 200’s. Heck, I may go that route when my ICONS eventually need to be rebuilt.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Uh-oh! Lift Envy!!!

Any Mud preferred vendors picked up Bilstein yet? I'd love to talk shop with somebody like @cruiseroutfit on pros/cons of this set vs long time in the market tried and true OME, Iron Man, Dobinson's, etc. I like the idea of BP-51s and Kings and all that fancy stuff but, realistically for our needs I am a set it and forget it, and the LC will still be 80+ % on the road vs off road.

We stock a great deal of Bilstein for the older applications (4x/5x/6x/7x and some 8x) but I've really never entertained it for the 100/200 as there are plenty of great options out there from OME, Dobinson, Tokico, Icon, King, etc and anything else is just an answer in search of a problem for our customer wants/needs. Happy to revisit of there is demand but to-date we've sold hundreds of suspension kits for the 200 and never had someone ask about Bilstein