Attempted Car Jacking..... Gunna need some parts....

[Doc]

Tell your guy to put some safety glasses on!

 

[Hawaiian420Cruzers]

Glad you are o.k. replace the windows and include a new gun holster in the center console! "Say Hello to my little friend"

 

[98 SNAKE EATER]

A little update from today

The front run channel is back in business too

 

[CowboyUp]

Actually, it did (along with other shootings that night)

Gun calls: Orlando cops stay busy with gun calls over weekend - OrlandoSentinel.com





What are the odds that the gun that was stolen in the burglary was the same one used to shoot up my rig?

I feel that the ods are higher! For me is looking a 45 all day ! Also, I belive police can found if this gun was use by taking to the lab all the fragments from the bullets. Plus, one of the bullet is looking in good shape. And another that is in the dash....!
You founded the bullet?

 

[CowboyUp]

Glad your ok, and good job laying on the skinny pedal, smart decision. Always run, chances are they won't shoot, and chances are that if they do shoot, they'll miss.

To me it looks like the LC did a fine job stopping the bullets. I take it the first round went through the PS window, he was going for your melon, and the next few hit the PS door. The one round was totally stopped by the door jamb. I've spent hours shooting up cars with every gun I've owned, and any gun I could borrow. These of course were junk vehicles, and I've learned a lot about ballistics. I'd say those bullets were stopped. I've shot rounds from a rifle, and had them go diagonally through a vehicle, passing through every panal, trunk, firewall, and seats, dash, with only a small hole. I've shot 22's and 38's into doors, and have them leave huge gapping holes, only to stop after going through the first panal.

How anyone could tell if its a 45 is beyond me, without actually seeing how big the fragments are. It looks like about 45 damage, bigger hole, ****py penetration, falls out of the truck when you open the door. But it could be a 40, 38, not a 9 mm, not a 454, not a smith and wesson 500 mag.

****, I thought I was the only one with a shot up LC, but mine has a 3FE

You got a 9 mm shot there if I am not wrong?!
Went the other side?
The eyes are getting use to see the bullet caliber by just looking at the picture, target.... if you do little training....However, mistake can happen !

 

[AJLFJ80]

Umm...forgive me for being a bleeding heart liberal. But fighting fire with fire (fighting guns with other guns) is not a good preventative measure. Could you imagine what would have happened if snake eater had pulled out a piece? Those thugs would have emptied the chamber into him and we'd be reading about him on the news. Please. "ZOMGZZZ YOU GOT JACKED, carrying a gun will solve all your problems" is a bunch of horse****. Pardon my French. He did the right thing by getting the hell out of there. No need to start a gunfight in the middle of the street. Come on guys, use your heads.

 

[NYMadMan]

You should have left the holes in the doors, I think that would look cool.

 

[CowboyUp]

Umm...forgive me for being a bleeding heart liberal. But fighting fire with fire (fighting guns with other guns) is not a good preventative measure. Could you imagine what would have happened if snake eater had pulled out a piece? Those thugs would have emptied the chamber into him and we'd be reading about him on the news. Please. "ZOMGZZZ YOU GOT JACKED, carrying a gun will solve all your problems" is a bunch of horse****. Pardon my French. He did the right thing by getting the **** out of there. No need to start a gunfight in the middle of the street. Come on guys, use your heads.

I believe Snake Eater had a very good change to take this thugs out for good if he had a piece. Those thugs all ready emptied the chamber into his truck, ( 10 bullets after news report) think that gave enough time to the Snake Eater to pull up his piece and defend his life and maybe somebody else life if you look more deep on this. In the future this thugs will get more brave and better shooters and the poor innocent/s victim/s will not have this luck how Snake Eater had. My 2 cents!
In the end I am glad that all went fine and his truck is back how was before, ready for a showroom !

 

[Ebag333]

I believe Snake Eater had a very good change to take this thugs out for good if he had a piece. Those thugs all ready emptied the chamber into his truck, ( 10 bullets after news report) think that gave enough time to the Snake Eater to pull up his piece and defend his life and maybe somebody else life if you look more deep on this. In the future this thugs will get more brave and better shooters and the poor innocent/s victim/s will not have this luck how Snake Eater had. My 2 cents!
In the end I am glad that all went fine and his truck is back how was before, ready for a showroom !

Come on, be realistic.

Lets say that they did empty 10 rounds. The first thre went into the vehicle, the next 7 missed because he was a moving target. The fact that the perp hit him 3 times when he started to move tells me that he was ready to shoot.

You will NEVER win a gunfight if the perp has his piece pulled and aimed and yours is still in the holster. Never.

And that doesn't even take into account that it was 2 vs 1. Who knows if the other perp was armed and just didn't shoot?

Piss poor odds and the perps being armed and ready means that Snake Eater didn't have a chance even if he had his piece sitting on his lap. He was facing the wrong direction to boot. How quickly can you shoot over your right shoulder then turn and shoot over your left? I might be able to get a few shots off in 30 seconds over both shoulders. It would take about about 10 for the perps to walk 5 feet and shoot me in the head.

Anyone who thinks that he could have "won" a gun battle needs to sell their pistol, because they are just going to get themselves or someone else killed. And yes, I have my CHL and exercise my rights.

 

[ALCO]

You have a right to protect yourself (Until Obama bans the Constitution).

I recommend something large and powerful to quickly dispatch feral thugs with one shot.

 

[CowboyUp]

Come on, be realistic.

Lets say that they did empty 10 rounds. The first thre went into the vehicle, the next 7 missed because he was a moving target. The fact that the perp hit him 3 times when he started to move tells me that he was ready to shoot.

You will NEVER win a gunfight if the perp has his piece pulled and aimed and yours is still in the holster. Never.

And that doesn't even take into account that it was 2 vs 1. Who knows if the other perp was armed and just didn't shoot?

**** poor odds and the perps being armed and ready means that Snake Eater didn't have a chance even if he had his piece sitting on his lap. He was facing the wrong direction to boot. How quickly can you shoot over your right shoulder then turn and shoot over your left? I might be able to get a few shots off in 30 seconds over both shoulders. It would take about about 10 for the perps to walk 5 feet and shoot me in the head.

Anyone who thinks that he could have "won" a gun battle needs to sell their pistol, because they are just going to get themselves or someone else killed. And yes, I have my CHL and exercise my rights.

Howdy
I see your point and respect that and is true is very hard to do that moves that you just described and sometime impossible if you have the seat belt on and the belt will lock on you when you move to fast and I strong believe that Snake Eater did the best move to get out from there.

 

[Rusty Phillips]

as I said earlier though - the big mistake here is going out at 3 am.

to chime in on what has already been said - as long as the truck is mobile - the right foot on gas is almost always preferred response from the drivers seat. I cannot think of any situation where you would be better off to intentionally stop the truck and switch from being a driver to being a shooter.

Vehicles are incredibly hard to disable even with multiple shooters and 50+ rounds... in other words - even if it is puking coolant and engine oil, all tires are shot out, and the AC is not keeping the cabin cool, you are very likely still going to be able to drive it a safe distance away from the ambush.

if the truck is unable to move - then by all means get your ass out - go to the gun (if you have one), and get behind cover.
your car is not cover - it is a coffin. You want CONCRETE.

in this case - a handgun would not have helped the lone driver.
but a handgun in the hands of an alert (not drunk) TRAINED friend riding in the back seat (able to fire to left or right or back) would have made a huge difference. shoot thru the closed (tinted) windows... dont roll them down.

by the way - if you can get the chance to take drivers training (whether just skid school, executive protection, bondurant, etc or a weekend doing SCCA) id highly recommend it.

Also - if you get the chance to shoot from, over, under, or into a stationary car at the range -do it.

More importantly - if you are going to consider carrying a handgun... get some TRAINING.... not just the required training to get the permit - but real training.

short of that - Id recommend not throwing your shoulder into the car door when you are trying to unass the vehicle..... the faster the door is moving when it hits the hinge stops, the harder it will rebound into you - smacking you in the face / teeth with the window frame. It will stop hurting... when the pain goes away.

Also - if you are using a rental car or your wifes car for range day - be sure to have a exact count of number of rounds fired inside the car and be sure to pick up all the brass before giving it back.... (ex: load and fire exactly 50) - empty 9mm casings in a rental might not be a problem if they dont notice them until a month later... but in your wife's ride might be a different story.

of course I would never do anything like this....

 

[johnsonf18]

Crack is Whack! Glad tou are okay!

 

[AJLFJ80]

I recommend something large and powerful to quickly dispatch feral thugs with one shot.

We all come equipped with something well-suited to this task: our brain.

 

[CowboyUp]

as I said earlier though - the big mistake here is going out at 3 am.

to chime in on what has already been said - as long as the truck is mobile - the right foot on gas is almost always preferred response from the drivers seat. I cannot think of any situation where you would be better off to intentionally stop the truck and switch from being a driver to being a shooter.

Vehicles are incredibly hard to disable even with multiple shooters and 50+ rounds... in other words - even if it is puking coolant and engine oil, all tires are shot out, and the AC is not keeping the cabin cool, you are very likely still going to be able to drive it a safe distance away from the ambush.

if the truck is unable to move - then by all means get your ass out - go to the gun (if you have one), and get behind cover.
your car is not cover - it is a coffin. You want CONCRETE.

in this case - a handgun would not have helped the lone driver.
but a handgun in the hands of an alert (not drunk) TRAINED friend riding in the back seat (able to fire to left or right or back) would have made a huge difference. shoot thru the closed (tinted) windows... dont roll them down.

by the way - if you can get the chance to take drivers training (whether just skid school, executive protection, bondurant, etc or a weekend doing SCCA) id highly recommend it.

Also - if you get the chance to shoot from, over, under, or into a stationary car at the range -do it.

More importantly - if you are going to consider carrying a handgun... get some TRAINING.... not just the required training to get the permit - but real training.

short of that - Id recommend not throwing your shoulder into the car door when you are trying to unass the vehicle..... the faster the door is moving when it hits the hinge stops, the harder it will rebound into you - smacking you in the face / teeth with the window frame. It will stop hurting... when the pain goes away.

Also - if you are using a rental car or your wifes car for range day - be sure to have a exact count of number of rounds fired inside the car and be sure to pick up all the brass before giving it back.... (ex: load and fire exactly 50) - empty 9mm casings in a rental might not be a problem if they dont notice them until a month later... but in your wife's ride might be a different story.

of course I would never do anything like this....

Howdy

"of course I would never do anything like this...." why I don't believe this !! Opss maybe the wife is next to you !

"but a handgun in the hands of an alert (not drunk) TRAINED friend riding in the back seat (able to fire to left or right or back)" usually at that hours only the drunk friends are riding on the back seat !

Great info, thanks !

 

[1shot1kill]

You did the right thing by driving away and but for the laws the best way to handle this situation would have been to stop and park a few blocks away and approach the SOB with a scubapro pneumatic mag. 95 spear gun where you now have the element of surprise. I guess I have been watching too many movies!

The police could have done this and even shot him dead if the did not comply with their commands. But, you would be convicted for murder for going back, because your legal opportunity to use deadly force was over when he stopped shooting and you were further away.

 

[krzyabncanuck]

as I said earlier though - the big mistake here is going out at 3 am.

to chime in on what has already been said - as long as the truck is mobile - the right foot on gas is almost always preferred response from the drivers seat. I cannot think of any situation where you would be better off to intentionally stop the truck and switch from being a driver to being a shooter.

Vehicles are incredibly hard to disable even with multiple shooters and 50+ rounds... in other words - even if it is puking coolant and engine oil, all tires are shot out, and the AC is not keeping the cabin cool, you are very likely still going to be able to drive it a safe distance away from the ambush.

if the truck is unable to move - then by all means get your ass out - go to the gun (if you have one), and get behind cover.
your car is not cover - it is a coffin. You want CONCRETE.

in this case - a handgun would not have helped the lone driver.
but a handgun in the hands of an alert (not drunk) TRAINED friend riding in the back seat (able to fire to left or right or back) would have made a huge difference. shoot thru the closed (tinted) windows... dont roll them down.

by the way - if you can get the chance to take drivers training (whether just skid school, executive protection, bondurant, etc or a weekend doing SCCA) id highly recommend it.

Also - if you get the chance to shoot from, over, under, or into a stationary car at the range -do it.

More importantly - if you are going to consider carrying a handgun... get some TRAINING.... not just the required training to get the permit - but real training.

short of that - Id recommend not throwing your shoulder into the car door when you are trying to unass the vehicle..... the faster the door is moving when it hits the hinge stops, the harder it will rebound into you - smacking you in the face / teeth with the window frame. It will stop hurting... when the pain goes away.

Also - if you are using a rental car or your wifes car for range day - be sure to have a exact count of number of rounds fired inside the car and be sure to pick up all the brass before giving it back.... (ex: load and fire exactly 50) - empty 9mm casings in a rental might not be a problem if they dont notice them until a month later... but in your wife's ride might be a different story.

of course I would never do anything like this....

Very darn good advice. I also agree 100% about range time and the schools, although for most civilians they will never come into this scenario.

 

[98 SNAKE EATER]

A little update on the console...

I wanted to change the positions of some of the switches and A/V inputs, so I drilled a few trial options into the old console and used it as a template for the new one

I moved the A/V and Guitar toward the front to clear the seat when it slides forward.....sumthin I didn't take into account when I did it the first time

I also moved the camera/DVR power switch to the driver's side and moved the camera rotary knob to the side of the Power/2nd switch for easy each

Still waiting on the dash repair guy to fix the lower dash panel and Superior Dash to send me to send me a sample ring for the new wood trim kit

 

[98 SNAKE EATER]

The rear door strip has loose clips, so I taped it until I can get new ones from the dealer

 

[KRAZIKRAKER]

Damn Man - good to hear you got out with out a scratch. That could have gone worse. I also have been shooting a long time and FWIW you made the decision and it worked - maybe shooting back would have worked but what then ? A huge hassle court and in Denver possible jail time for wrongful death. Familys have gotten it which makes me sick cause a guy is protecting his family and gets canned.

Again glad to hear you are safe and that the truck is repaired looks great. Have you been down that road since ?