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Glad to hear you have positive result. How long was the install from start to finish? Any tips for the install?
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Glad to hear you have positive result. How long was the install from start to finish? Any tips for the install?
Same question these guys are asking, I didn't see you follow up with them...
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First, it is not my job to follow up on every single posts posted on this forum. I try to respond when I have free time.
Second, LandCruiserPhil was asking questions on cost and time required for washer mod. These questions are not for me.
Third, Saddletramp was asking question which I don't have good answer with technical data. Again, this question is not specific for me.
Fourth, questions from LandCruiserPhil and Saddletramp are not the SAME as your question.
Fifth, don't change the subject. Compare to what? Are you volunteering some info for comparison?
First: I never said it was your job. But, thank you for clarifying.
Second: I never said Phil's questions are for you. Again, thank you for clarifying.
Third: I asked Mike about the cost of caster plate installation. Either this is a sensitive subject for you, or you think all of the questions I ask are awaiting your response.
By continuing to focus on me, you keep changing the subject...how is Steve going to make an educated decision? Should he follow Phil's advice:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.php?p=8814313&postcount=15
Fourth: I respectfully disagree. They are both asking questions to help them compare two options. They did not ask specifically about cost. Which is fine, they're rich! Me, not so much. Total cost, for both solutions, matter to me. Cost should be considered for a more complete pro/con analysis (which is a technique used to compare different options).
Fifth: What is it, you want me to volunteer? I have shown you every receipt or told you the cost of every mod I've ever done or had done to my 80. Including work done at Kevin's shop.
I was planning to give Steve, my informed opinion. But, it is Kevin, who has the most informed opinion. He is the only one who has installed these plates without you and/or Phil helping out. And he has done several washer mods.
Some readers may refer back to a previous post and believe Cook and Brittan installed these plates by themselves. I will let you clarify and/or add the necessary caveats to that post, as your time permits. I know it isn't your job.
Second: I never said Phil's questions are for you. Again, thank you for clarifying.
Third: I asked Mike about the cost of caster plate installation. Either this is a sensitive subject for you, or you think all of the questions I ask are awaiting your response.
By continuing to focus on me, you keep changing the subject...how is Steve going to make an educated decision? Should he follow Phil's advice:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.php?p=8814313&postcount=15
Fourth: I respectfully disagree. They are both asking questions to help them compare two options. They did not ask specifically about cost. Which is fine, they're rich! Me, not so much. Total cost, for both solutions, matter to me. Cost should be considered for a more complete pro/con analysis (which is a technique used to compare different options).
Fifth: What is it, you want me to volunteer? I have shown you every receipt or told you the cost of every mod I've ever done or had done to my 80. Including work done at Kevin's shop.
I was planning to give Steve, my informed opinion. But, it is Kevin, who has the most informed opinion. He is the only one who has installed these plates without you and/or Phil helping out. And he has done several washer mods.
Some readers may refer back to a previous post and believe Cook and Brittan installed these plates by themselves. I will let you clarify and/or add the necessary caveats to that post, as your time permits. I know it isn't your job.
I thought it was just me... guess not
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I will try to clarify.
I believe that Kevin has installed the washer mods and now the castor correction plates. If someone else has performed both types of mods, on different vehicles, they may have an opinion of which works better.
The castor plate mod seems like it may be easier, just some minor trimming with a sawzall or cutoff wheel and bolt them on.
Will either mod work equally well with J springs up front, or is one better than the other?
As for being rich, I wish. "The Man" that I work for does not give anything away free, so sometimes I have money and not the luxury of time. Someday I hope to have the time to develop the skills that Kevin and Phil have for fabrication/engineering, until then if I have free time it will be spent wheeling first and wrenching second.
Well Steve, it has been obvious for many years that you and I are under control of "The Man" but I have been told many times on this board it is my fault and just say "No".
I thought I would share those words of wisdom.
I have done the plate install and assisted in the washer mod. In the end it appears to me at least the washer mod is the cheapest way to go and provides adjustment of the angle you do not have with the plates. In the end it would come down to what you want from your rig, within factory tolerances or as close as possible.
I thought I would share those words of wisdom.
I have done the plate install and assisted in the washer mod. In the end it appears to me at least the washer mod is the cheapest way to go and provides adjustment of the angle you do not have with the plates. In the end it would come down to what you want from your rig, within factory tolerances or as close as possible.
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Thanks for the advice, my plan now includes the plates as they meet most of my needs. I am hoping to get OEM like steering feel and avoid the grrrrrrrrrrrr sound that might force me to a double cardon front drive shaft.
The last time is told the man no, he sent me to Toronto, Canada. If I try that again he might send me to Winnipeg.....or New York. Be careful telling the man no.
The last time is told the man no, he sent me to Toronto, Canada. If I try that again he might send me to Winnipeg.....or New York. Be careful telling the man no.
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So, I have a rig in the air, apart, ask a simple question about installation of a product designed/sold here and it sets off a nitpicking, flame war, when a simple link to the install would have worked. Got the info from JJ and the Slee site, should have gone there first!
Like I'm going to address that here? Don't have time for the resulting 18 page flame war for preferring and unapproved mod! Do yourself a favor and fall inline, avoid the ridicule, get a genuine CSC approved mod, the LCP Designed plates!
Like I'm going to address that here? Don't have time for the resulting 18 page flame war for preferring and unapproved mod! Do yourself a favor and fall inline, avoid the ridicule, get a genuine CSC approved mod, the LCP Designed plates!
You and I both know that smart people know when to say no, others think it is fine whenever.
Hope your sound problem is resolved, if not try changing your phase.
This thread is like a David Lynch movie-- I feel like I should understand what is going on, but in the end I just don't get it.
CSC plates, Metal Tech, and Slee plate all will provide 2 degrees more correction then available then the washer mod. My caster spec with plates and Jsprings provided 3.5 degrees of caster at the top of the factory spec. Many have dirven my 80 and posted excellent experience even with the 2wheel drive conversion (some say it will degrades driveability) My recomendation to anyone considering any caster mod drive both prior and the choice will be clear.
Also not to be confused all the plates about use the exact same installation process. 1000 sold will no installation complain except here
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Also not to be confused all the plates about use the exact same installation process. 1000 sold will no installation complain except here
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and I don't even know who that is, nor have I seen any of his movies
I went and saw Erasurehead in the theatre many years ago. The only movie I walked out on. The only problem is that I kept waiting for it to get better or make sense so I stayed too long
Being that this thread has created WWlll no information will be shared on this thread pertaining to said installation. I will be glad to share this information verbally. Don't want to create WWlV. If you are seeking additional information see my attorney...LOL.
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TwinPeaks, Lara Flynn Boyle and Heather Graham. One has stood the test of time, the other turned in to a freak show. I am hoping the cosmetic surgery on my 80 to install castor plates results in better drivability.
Surely Lara Flynn Boyle would like to go back to factory original say before Men in Black. Heather Graham on the other hand still looks like roller girl.
Now back to our castor plates discussion.
Kevin, if money were no object, would the arms like you made or the Slee version of arms be a better choice than the washer mod or castor plates? Seems like the new arms just ends all the other discussion. I am still interested in your opinion on the plates versus washer mod once you have had a chance to try out both. Thanks for continuing to try to make new things and challenge the way others think.
Surely Lara Flynn Boyle would like to go back to factory original say before Men in Black. Heather Graham on the other hand still looks like roller girl.
Now back to our castor plates discussion.
Kevin, if money were no object, would the arms like you made or the Slee version of arms be a better choice than the washer mod or castor plates? Seems like the new arms just ends all the other discussion. I am still interested in your opinion on the plates versus washer mod once you have had a chance to try out both. Thanks for continuing to try to make new things and challenge the way others think.
Rrrrr.... Roller-Girl... Giggidy!!
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Also not to be confused all the plates about use the exact same installation process. 1000 sold will no installation complain except here
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So, asking for help, confirmation, on how to properly install = complaint? I incorrectly assumed that these differed from the others, figured that I could ask and get help from others who had installed this type. Slee's instructions worked great, should have just gone there and avoided the drama here.
Slee's instructions worked great, should have just gone there and avoided the drama here.
Yup
All kidding aside, a plasma cutter made this install relatively painless.. zip zip and the pieces were cut. A few helping hands and the thing was done. Did take but a few minutes to cut the needed metal, and then positioning of the arms, bolts and torque away. All and all from start to finish once it was figured out that cutting was needed I would estimate with a few helping hands 1.5 hrs. The biggest gain in saving time is the plasma cutter.
