2f Engine Head/Block/Carb/Intake Choices (2 Viewers)

[PabloCruise]

ei,

I like the looks of your goals...

I have not read all replies, but want to jump in so as to mark this thread for future ref.

If you are contemplating the FJ60 PS conversion and have any interest in running a Toyota PS pump (I know, I know...) then the '79 and later block is tapped to accept the brackets off a 60.

Now, what to stuff the block with? I'll get back to reading the replies...

 

[PabloCruise]

Putting a gm in however would take away from my cruiser's charm since I'm putting so much effort into keeping everything on it Aisan or TAG. It is a very solid restoration and I just want to add some oomph to the original drivetrain. Plus passing a Chevy 350 pickup up a steep hill in a "true" vintage Toyota would be sweet...

-Eddie

I want the same things for my 40 Eddie!

I have a buddy that keeps asking me when I will smallblock my 40. His looks like a typical engine swap - snipped metal, loose wires, a 90% solution.

Reading Mark and PinHead go at it - wow!!!

When you say TAG, do you mean TEQ?

 

[Mark W]

Buy your tickets ay the door.


Mark...

 

[Mike S]

I am going to put this n the 60 series FAQ thread - Great discussion of interest to all 2F owners.

M

 

[eithegreat]

I meant tag; toyota auto group (that is right, right?). And I agree, going to the later block would aid me greatly just because it already has all the tapped-holes for mounting goodies... This cruiser will be 90% toyota (aftermarket AC, and custom dual tube bumpers front a rear to protect my baby); but 100% toyota-grade quality - no riggin' here. I'm anxious to get her stripped down in my shop and rebuilt piece by piece... Will post a full story and pictures, details when I'm done.

Oh - and I'll do my best to CC any engine I have apart and report it, any suggestions how?

 

[gulp3000]

Just for the record, I think mules are better offroad than a horses.

 

[PabloCruise]

Just for the record, I think mules are better offroad than a horses.

Ha!

 

[trucruiser]

Eithegreat,
I have a 1972 head i could part with, where are you located? I would like a stock Aisin carb for it if thats possible. Im in Colorado PM me if interested.

 

[Pin_Head]

If Toyota thought that trying to get 200 hp out of a 2F was a good idea, they would have done it.

If GM thought that getting over 300 hp out of a 350 SBC was a good idea....wait a minute, they actually did it: the LT1.

 

[Mace]

And how amny HP did a 350 come with in 1972???

 

[Pin_Head]

And how many HP did a 350 come with in 1972???

165 hp (2bbl) to 255 hp (4bbl hipo), which demonstrates how responsive the SBC is to performance enhancement in a normally aspirated engine.

http://www.ih8mud.com/tech/chevy-horsepower.xls

 

[PabloCruise]

And how amny HP did a 350 come with in 1972???

I think a much more useful question is how much torque is available UNDER 1000 RPM...

 

[Tapage]

someone perform a turbo kit instalation in a 2F engine .. ?

I'm agree with the position, that you can get more power from a V8 engine, more for fun but with adecuated gearing, I can make a trail with a V8 TLC.

In my diesel world, my 2H engine come with 105 humble HP and 187 lb/p of torque, and the 12H-T ( the same block as my 2H, but with direct inyection and, turbo ) comes with 135 HP and 231 lb/p torque. A lots more.

Some times you need a lots of power ( HP ) but in my world of logs trips, without store parts in the road, you need entrust in your engine.

 

[Tigerstripe40]

If Toyota thought that trying to get 200 hp out of a 2F was a good idea, they would have done it.

If GM thought that getting over 300 hp out of a 350 SBC was a good idea....wait a minute, they actually did it: the LT1.

Toyota made the 1FZ-FE which is 212 HP.

If I remember correctly the LT-1 is SIGNIFICANTLY different from the SBC.

One thing I wnat to know is why toyota NEVER based an engine design on the SBC like they did the stovebolt 6.

There ARE better V8s out there than the SBC (2UZ-FE, and Northstar comes to mind), however, for the cost, the SBC is hard to beat.

 

[Mace]

someone perform a turbo kit instalation in a 2F engine .. ?

I did..

 

[Pin_Head]

Toyota made the 1FZ-FE which is 212 HP.

The 1FZ-FE is not related to the F/2F. It is a double overhead cam, 4 valve, 7 main bearing design.

If I remember correctly the LT-1 is SIGNIFICANTLY different from the SBC.

The LT1 has some differences, but the major parts are interchangeable wit other SBCs.

 

[hullendersauce]

thanks for the killer thread!

WOW! what a discussion. i dont understand a damn thing im reading (a little), but wish i did. this thread is going to keep me busy as hell researching. how come any of you couldnt live next door?
i too, have been wondering how to get a "lil more" outta my 2F. im trying to find someone credible/local i can take my rig to, for checks mentioned above. i have a buddy who lives down in CO Springs (Jerry Nichols) who has been doing V8 swaps, but i dont want to give up my 2F (185K). im in CO...anyone know any GREAT motor specialists, like some of you in this thread? thks, sean

ps sorry to hack yur thread bro....but thanks for getting this kik ass thread going!!

 

[Mark W]

If Toyota thought that trying to get 200 hp out of a 2F was a good idea, they would have done it.

If GM thought that getting over 300 hp out of a 350 SBC was a good idea....wait a minute, they actually did it: the LT1.

Just when you think you're out... They yank you back in...

How about "If Chevy thought they could, why didn't they build a small block (or a vehicle) in the '60s, '70s, or '80s that could last over 100,000 miles without major overhaul?" Toyota knew that they could and did. 300K plus ain't unusual for some of the 2Fs out there. And to elaborate on what I refered to previously, they built these engine off of a design from the thirties and for use (that is to say ABUSE and NEGLECT) in the third world. The US with its wonderful roads and horsepower wars was an incidental, and insignificant market for Land Cruisers back in the '60s and '70s.
High output from their engines simply was not a concern for Toyota when they were building the 2Fs. That doesn't mean it can't be done.

BTW, Anyone else remember the video clips of all of those FJ55 Taxis in Iraq getting blown to pieces during the initial campaign over there? Or the craploads of Northern Alliance "troops" piling in and on other Pigs during their movements? Picture what a '71 Impala would look like now after 30+ years under that kind of use.



No one needs to tell me that a 2F will never outperform a built chevy smallblock V8. DUH... I've built a few of those too (heck, who HASN'T?). We've got a smallblock in the shop right now going into a 88 'Vette which *should* be well over 500 HP at 6000-6500 rpm. I'l admit right here for all to read that you can't do that with a 2F. But if the whole of your arguement is that the V8 can make more HP ... Heard it already. The question that started all of this was what is the best way to build a 2F. It wasn't "How great is the SBC."

Okay, NOW I'm done.


Mark...

 

[SpaceGhost]

snipped.....
Reading Mark and PinHead go at it - wow!!!

Knowing who Mark and Pinhead are is even better! Welcome Mark, you are a valued addition to this widely diverse group of enthusiasts. For those that are less weathered, Mark is tech writer for Trails, and well know "old school" go to guy, residing in this countries most demanding environment, Alaska!

I'll kiss your ass later Charlie

 

[Mark W]

Hi Mike,

Ya left out "cantankerous and overly opinionated in that description.

But thanks anyway.


Mark...