2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate
links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

Status
Not open for further replies.
They have the capabilities, just not the positioning imo. I don't think it would have near the nostalgic tailwind of the Bronco. I feel like at least a third of the Bronco's I see are driven by middle-aged women. The 70 series carries nowhere near the clout.


The LC has always been an expensive SUV. It's just too hard to replicate the conditions Ford had with a once popular and affordable SUV that had been out of production for 25 years.
I agree with this. And there has been 2 decades of concept, speculation, rumors and renderings to stoke the fire.
 
Any small chance Toyota would have is with a retro, removable top FJ40 inspired design. You can forget about a 70's series, that will never happen.
 
Lexus is lexus.....have never purchased a rolling living room and never will.....lovely vehicle but it only interests me in so far as it generally tends to telegraph whats going to happen down brand with toyota......and toyota's offerings of lexus-lite land cruisers over the last 25 years have been so lackluster that they couldnt even sell 3000 yehicles a year and exited the US market.

Ford put together offerings/options/features in the Bronco that were so appealing to americans that they've sold over 240,000 of them since it came out in 2020 and are completely sold out for 2023.....they're not taking any more orders for 2023

Based on the numbers, no one can deny that there isnt demand for an off roadable vehicle sans expensive self destroying plastic that includes offering of manual transmission, locking differential, hard and soft tops and a raft of other options.

People have bought these vehicles knowing what Fords build quality and issues are historically and likely to be in the future.

Ford has been so successful in its marketing and execution that every other car company ignores their success at their own peril
It sounds to me like you really like the Bronco so why don’t you buy one?
 
They have the capabilities, just not the positioning imo. I don't think it would have near the nostalgic tailwind of the Bronco. I feel like at least a third of the Bronco's I see are driven by middle-aged women. The 70 series carries nowhere near the clout.

Outside maybe OJ‘s slow speed chase I’m not so sure there was much nostalgia for the Bronco. Certainly none in the off road world. That doesn’t take away from what Ford brilliantly did but the LC family has a much MUCH more credible story to tell.

Most Jeeps never leave the pavement either so not surprising it’s the same with Bronco owner. As it will be for the GX550. And whatever the LC250 turns out to be, if it happens here at all.
 
It sounds to me like you really like the Bronco so why don’t you buy one?

It sounds like you no longer have an argument to counter why Toyota shouldnt bring BACK a land cruiser that shares some of the common and previously offered features that Ford sold 100,000 units of each of the last two years.
 
Outside maybe OJ‘s slow speed chase I’m not so sure there was much nostalgia for the Bronco. Certainly none in the off road world. That doesn’t take away from what Ford brilliantly did but the LC family has a much MUCH more credible story to tell.

Most Jeeps never leave the pavement either so not surprising it’s the same with Bronco owner. As it will be for the GX550. And whatever the LC250 turns out to be, if it happens here at all.

Nobody wanted THAT Bronco back. What Ford excels at is basically resto moding their classic designs. The the return of the 1960's Mustang was a great success. Trust me, no one wanted the return of the Mustang II from the 1970's. The Bronco revived a similarly iconic design. The only Land Cruiser that is even in that same league are the FJ40 and models before it.
 
Nobody wanted THAT Bronco back. What Ford excels at is basically resto moding their classic designs. The the return of the 1960's Mustang was a great success. Trust me, no one wanted the return of the Mustang II from the 1970's. The Bronco revived a similarly iconic design. The only Land Cruiser that is even in that same league are the FJ40 and models before it.

The new Bronco, I think, stands on its own merits and would be every bit as successful with a different name. Jeep on the other hand does have that sort of name credibility. While I concede that LC doesn’t not have it in NA, a freshman marketing student could easily change that using only its history.

Not that it really matters because Mustang II is a good example that even an iconic name only earns you a second look and does near nothing to ensure success.
 
Outside maybe OJ‘s slow speed chase I’m not so sure there was much nostalgia for the Bronco. Certainly none in the off road world. That doesn’t take away from what Ford brilliantly did but the LC family has a much MUCH more credible story to tell.
Baloney.



Icon 4x4 has sold over 100 restomod Broncos, each with a price tag over $200k. You may not have a lot of nostalgia for them, but a lot of other folks do. Which is why Icon 4x4 has a multi-year waiting list and why Ford has sold out the 2023 model year of Broncos.

You may prefer Land Cruisers (as I do as well), but your assertion that there isn't much nostalgia for Broncos is demonstrably wrong.
 
Last edited:
They have the capabilities, just not the positioning imo. I don't think it would have near the nostalgic tailwind of the Bronco. I feel like at least a third of the Bronco's I see are driven by middle-aged women. The 70 series carries nowhere near the clout.


The LC has always been an expensive SUV. It's just too hard to replicate the conditions Ford had with a once popular and affordable SUV that had been out of production for 25 years.
Lets compare apples to apples.

Based on the numbers and the benjamins the bronco and fj40 were direct competitors......2 land cruisers sold for every 3 broncos



1976 model year of base FJ40 and Bronco 2Dr

LC MSRP was $5500
Bronco MSRP was $5100

14,500 bronco's sold in 1976

9200 fj40's sold in US in 1976

To suggest there was not and is not name recognition for the "Land Cruiser" name defies stats....if there wasnt then Toyota wouldnt be talking about a reintroduction of a vehicle that carries the name of "Land Cruiser"
 
Toyota is the largest vehicle manufacturer in the world and made over 10.5 million vehicles last year
GM is down the list, past VW, past Hyundai.....produced about 6.8 million vehicles last year
Ford is past GM at ~6.3 million

If anyone can DO it, its Toyota....they already manufacture all of the components globally that would be required to execute on a reboot of a short or medium wheel base 70 esque vehicle(s) that would compete directly with Ford's sold out offerings.....and do it better/more reliably.

They also have the marketing vehicle to do it in the US/North America via a "reboot" of the US Land Cruiser in a channelling of the 40/60 series legacy/functionality in similar manner that Ford did.

If Ford sold out its clear that there are sufficient americans eager to hand over their money for a similar form/function vehicle....

If Ford sold on average ~100k units a year there's no way Toyota wouldnt succeed with a well designed/executed competitor.

We know they're capable of pulling it off....look at the various GR versions of the Celica, Corolla and the 86(?)
why in the world would Toyota try something like that? Toyota is very profitable because they know their market. I know way too many Ford fanboys who refuse to touch a japanese vehicle. they'd rather daily drive a Escape than be seen in a 4runner
 
Baloney.



Icon 4x4 has sold over 100 restomod Broncos, each with a price tag over $200k. You may not have a lot of nostalgia for them, but a lot of other folks do. Which is why Icon 4x4 has a multi-year waiting list and why Ford has sold out the 2023 model year of Broncos.

You may prefer Land Cruisers (as I do as well), but your assertion that there isn't much nostalgia for Broncos is demonstrably wrong.


Me thinks the context was missed but no biggie. Cheers!
 
why in the world would Toyota try something like that? Toyota is very profitable because they know their market. I know way too many Ford fanboys who refuse to touch a japanese vehicle. they'd rather daily drive a Escape than be seen in a 4runner

There are lots of reasons

Toyota's primary reason is to sell vehicles...period....full stop

There's a demonstrated demand for a vehicle in the US that has similar features/function as what ford offered and sold out of this year....and year over year sales are north of 100,000 in the US alone.

Toyota also already manufactures the drivetrain, interior and most all of the other components for a vehicle that would fit that demonstrated customer demand.....ie the effort/cost to develop and produce that vehicle would be low.

Even if Toyota only sells 20k units thats already more land cruisers than its ever sold annually in the US market from its introduction more than 30 years ago to its departure from the US a few years back.

The question isnt why WOULD toyota do it
The question is why WOUILDNT toyota do it and sell a vehicle for which there is already a demonstrated demand
 
The fact that Toyota doesn't trust us with or just won't give us a front locker but Jeep, Ford, Chevy, and Dodge do does tell you something about the way Toyota views the North American market.
 
Only two answers I guess:

A. Toyota doesn't agree that it will sell like you think.
B. Toyota hates making money.

I am going to go with A.

Facts > opinions

Ford's sales number on Bronco are indisputable

American consumers have spoken clearly that they want vehicles in that genre...and that genre doesnt include the rolling living room offering for nearly double the price.

Supply and demand are funny things......if Toyota doesnt step in then some other company will

A reboot of the Nissan Patrol or a new XTerra would do well given current demand.....It would certainly make my short list if Toyota isnt going to step up
 
The fact that Toyota doesn't trust us with or just won't give us a front locker but Jeep, Ford, Chevy, and Dodge do does tell you something about the way Toyota views the North American market.

I added front lockers (ARB) on my truck but I think it’s more of a cost benefit analysis than an issue of trust. Anyway, they did offer their reasoning (Please don’t shoot the messenger as I’m not endorsing or damning it). And yes, I know he’s talking about a different truck.

 
Front Lockers can cause damage as most people don't know how to use it. The rear you can turn on and leave it on for a while. The front can break when the driver attempts to turn. The wheels are then spinning at different rates putting tremendous stress on the CV axle into the diff

Unlike the rear, the front wheels turn into your turn putting a smaller turn angle on the inside wheel.

I put a front locker in my truck and I think I have used it once in 8 years. The rear locker does 80% of the work and the autotrac (no braking) can help where you need some more control on the front. I ended up only putting rear lockers in my daughters trucks and they have had no issues in many years of wheeling.

To me the rear locker is an awesome advantage. The front is no big deal and I can can understand the liability of breaking under warranty due to the operator.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top Bottom