1FZ-F vs. 1FZ-FE compatibility

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GJCruiser

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Does anyone know if the manifolds, etc. from 1993 1FZ-FE will bolt directly onto imported 1FZ-F (carbureted) long block of the same year so the latter could be a transplant candidate for a tired motor?

I've searched but could not find. Please direct me to any known sources.

Thanks,
 
GJCruiser said:
Does anyone know if the manifolds, etc. from 1993 1FZ-FE will bolt directly onto imported 1FZ-F (carbureted) long block of the same year so the latter could be a transplant candidate for a tired motor?

I've searched but could not find. Please direct me to any known sources.

Thanks,
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Where did u get a carbed 1fz motor?
 
The motor was listed here on Mud. The attraction is a 93 motor with only 100,000 miles. But without seeing them side by side, I'm not qualified to say "its a go". There are concerns at every interface, intake, exhaust, crankshaft. What else haven't I thought about?

Can anyone point me to a source for research?

Thanks
 
Grant,

Your reply makes sense. I can see why people would want to go in that direction. I can't believe Toyota would have different head, blocks, cranks, etc. but I need to be sure.
 
The block is the same, so is the head only differences are the internals. Not sure on the 1FZ-F to the 1FZ-FE but i have seen people take all the 1FZ-FE components and put the on a 1FZ-F. I just picked up the a coilpacked 1FZ-FE, and that one has an upgraded head and other fun stuff that gives it 30 more HP than the Distributor'ed 1FZ-FE.


From Wikipedia.
The engine displaced 4477 cc with a bore and stroke measuring 100 millimetres (3.9 in) x 95 millimetres (3.7 in), respectively and a 9.0:1 compression ratio; the head used Toyota's narrow-angle overhead camshafts for better fuel economy.[1] The 1FZ had only two variants available: the 1FZ-F and the 1FZ-FE. The only significant difference between the two was the inclusion of electronic fuel injection on the 1FZ-FE, whereas the 1FZ-F used a carburetor.[2]

The 1FZ-F produced 190 horsepower (140 kW) at 4400 RPM and 268 pound-feet (363 N·m) at 2800 RPM; its fuel injected counterpart produced 212 horsepower (158 kW) at 4600 RPM and 275 pound-feet (373 N·m) at 3200 RPM.

Starting in 1998, the fuel injected version of the 1FZ-FE was also manufactured with a direct ignition variation available in certain non-US markets (the engine pictured here is that variant discernible by the intake manifold and lack of distributor). This version of the engine received many updates over the previous version such as a redesigned head, more compact pistons, updated throttle body, an improved intake manifold with longer intake runners, 4 nozzle fuel injectors to improve fuel atomization and direct ignition. This version of the 1FZ-FE produced 240 horsepower (180 kW) at 4600 RPM and 300 pound-feet (410 N·m) at 3600 RPM on 91 Octane Fuel (RON) without a catalytic converter.
 
FloridaFJ80, thanks for your reply. I read that Wikipedia too but became concerned with what they refer to as "significant" in the last sentence of the first paragraph. Any reason to believe the crankshaft rear would not bolt up to my automatic when the 1 FZ-F had different bellhousing and went into a manual trans?

Thanks
 
Combustion chamber is different, noted by a foremost authority of 1FZs when asked his opinion on an eBay offering a few years back.

Assuming low octane, SA market or possibly industrial applications, but, if other non-US of the same lineage are indicative, possibly lack hardened valve seats.

Short of that, largely the same, the FE having a block off plate where the fuel pump mounts on an F. Manifolds interchange, as does everything else.

1FZ blocks are the same, regardless, no matter the head or transmission.

(All the above stated with the disclaimer that the above doesn't extend beyond '97)

Begs cobsuderation given to a new FZ shortblock.

Going to the expense of buying an unknown engine, simply for the block, could be a Pandora's box unleashing a flow of expendable cash that could exceed the $3,400 premium for new.
 
Delancy, really appreciate the response. I was intending to use complete 1F-Z long block as a replacement for bad 1FZ-FE. I was mostly concerned with incompatibility of anything/everything that had to be removed from current motor and replaced onto 1FZ-F. I did notice valve lengths were slightly different in the FSM. Also don't know if the 1FZ-F would have plugs in the holes in the block where the necessary knock sensors would have to go.
 
GJCruiser said:
I was intending to use complete 1F-Z long block as a replacement for bad 1FZ-FE.
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I'd question that rationale if the 1FZ-F were free and the intended recipient a flip, but that's just me.

Like I said, all 1FZ short blocks are the same so, in lieu of a sensor or sender, there'll be a plug, in the same Mr. T fashion that includes a fuel pump block off plate on the FE head you have, EGR plates on early, non-US FZJs.

The shorter valve lengths are due to differences in combustion chamber, which is the reason for lessened compression ratio, as it's larger, meant for low octane market destinations.

More than likely, in the very few instances outside South America that 1FZ-Fs appear in quantities, the valves and combustion chambers may (operative) be the same, since there two variants of FZ-F heads.
 
1FZ-F is the closest and relatively least expensive option to put my daughter's 93 back on the road. The truck has faded paint and seat covers all around but it fits her family. We discussed parting, but a low cost replacement engine would be a lot less work and money than a rebuilt motor.
 
Apologies to bump this thread but I want to go the other way with my 3F engined FJ73

I have an abundance of 1FZ-FE 80 series out here but for a simple conversion want to put in a carb version of the 1fz

Im thinking of using everything bar the head from an FE and sourcing a head and carb. Any reason why I can't do this?
 
Guu said:
Apologies to bump this thread but I want to go the other way with my 3F engined FJ73

I have an abundance of 1FZ-FE 80 series out here but for a simple conversion want to put in a carb version of the 1fz

Im thinking of using everything bar the head from an FE and sourcing a head and carb. Any reason why I can't do this?
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I would think you could get away with using the FE head too as long as you keep fuel quality up for the slightly higher compression, and knock out the fuel pump boss for the mechanical pump. From there you need the intake manifold and carburetor set up. Other consideration would be control of the distributor, might need the F dizzy.
 
Guu said:
Apologies to bump this thread but I want to go the other way with my 3F engined FJ73

I have an abundance of 1FZ-FE 80 series out here but for a simple conversion want to put in a carb version of the 1fz

Im thinking of using everything bar the head from an FE and sourcing a head and carb. Any reason why I can't
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Guu, not sure where you are at but I have a complete 1fzfe carb head, manifold, carb, dizzy, everything attached from a 93 fzj80 that had 120k on it. I am located NM.
 
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