Retro-inspired front bumper

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Weird, few sales were actually leads from here. But we're in the wrong venue...

 

[NeverFinis]

I believe he is making stuff he wants that he then sells, rather than making stuff others want. Which, is his prerogative.

I have a DeltaVS full loop front bumper for protection. I rather not lose my truck to a deer hit. Function > Form.

With the brakes, I don't need pretty. I need something that works, and with parts that can be replaced at my local parts store. Think cheap 1 ton calipers...and a parking brake that is miles better than stock, just not barely better than stock...

my 2 cents.

 

[Mark W]

The day I left the East Coast and my 1970s muscle cars behind and came to Alaska and bought my first Cruiser (An Iron Pig of course) I embraced function over form and I can no longer even pretend to get my head around any other approach.

Mark...

 

[Broski]

Weird, few sales were actually leads from here. But we're in the wrong venue...

I based my comment off your statement that 95 to 99% of mud would not be interested

Post # 10 the picture of the Jeep and the narrow bumper, the narrow bumper works because there's no body behind the area just tire

 

[ceylonfj40nut]

It’s awesome to have new products developed for an audience with a range of tastes. Some are hardcore form over function. Others are bolt on bling folks. The true test will be in the sales numbers. Best of luck!

 

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I based my comment off your statement that 95 to 99% of mud would not be interested

Post # 10 the picture of the Jeep and the narrow bumper, the narrow bumper works because there's no body behind the area just tire

Let's do the math, that's 1-5% of members that are interested.

You're not going into much deeper level of thinking, you can put a straight bar across the Jeep so it sits at the same amount of offset as ours from outer wall of the tire, guess what approach angle on a JT with 39's and 3.5" lift would mean it would likely never come into contact with anything. Our bumper sits even higher than most high clearance bumpers giving better approach angle in front of the wheels.

Again debating with someone that's done physics simulations for 15+ years, with an 80 has seen more countries than some people have even visited. I'm aware of situations that would warrant the need. Rigs have various needs, and I felt there was a certain niche missing. Plus the way we do things is that you're more than welcome to commission a design modification for yourself since you're obviously invested in this thread. That's the benefit of focusing on a more boutique approach compared to large production. Much like the one-of-one brake system we're finishing up(also for a mud member fyi).

"Try to please everybody and you end up pleasing nobody" is why I'm focused on more small batch needs. You either know it's for you, or you're complaining in this thread (not pointing to anyone specific, just a vibe).

 

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I believe he is making stuff he wants that he then sells, rather than making stuff others want. Which, is his prerogative.

I have a DeltaVS full loop front bumper for protection. I rather not lose my truck to a deer hit. Function > Form.

With the brakes, I don't need pretty. I need something that works, and with parts that can be replaced at my local parts store. Think cheap 1 ton calipers...and a parking brake that is miles better than stock, just not barely better than stock...

my 2 cents.

Brake engineering is another wormhole we can go down. From experience, 1 ton brakes calipers are significantly oversized for the 80's brake system, you'd have to revamp everything to make it done right, then would you be saving much? Even the T4R calipers are oversized. Also Wilwood calipers and rotors are readily available worldwide, Amazon may even be able to get some replacements to your door the next day. Are you claiming the Wilwood EPB at a min of 2400lbs of clamping force is "barely" better than stock 80? Interesting.

 

[ceylonfj40nut]

The ibooster brake option for the 80 is taking off. It’s a solid option.

 

[Broski]

Let's do the math, that's 1-5% of members that are interested.

You're not going into much deeper level of thinking, you can put a straight bar across the Jeep so it sits at the same amount of offset as ours from outer wall of the tire, guess what approach angle on a JT with 39's and 3.5" lift would mean it would likely never come into contact with anything. Our bumper sits even higher than most high clearance bumpers giving better approach angle in front of the wheels.

Again debating with someone that's done physics simulations for 15+ years, with an 80 has seen more countries than some people have even visited. I'm aware of situations that would warrant the need. Rigs have various needs, and I felt there was a certain niche missing. Plus the way we do things is that you're more than welcome to commission a design modification for yourself since you're obviously invested in this thread. That's the benefit of focusing on a more boutique approach compared to large production. Much like the one-of-one brake system we're finishing up(also for a mud member fyi).

"Try to please everybody and you end up pleasing nobody" is why I'm focused on more small batch needs. You either know it's for you, or you're complaining in this thread (not pointing to anyone specific, just a vibe).

Let just face it you know more then the rest of us
I wish you well in your ventures.

 

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The ibooster brake option for the 80 is taking off. It’s a solid option.

We offer the Back Bay Customs iBooster kit for the 80 to compliment our brake system. Adam has been installing iBooster kits on 80's for some time now and has kits for many other platforms. He uses the iBooster on all his restoration builds now.

His IG: @backbaycustoms

Even Adam admits on an 80 that you're still limited to the undersized brake(may have been properly sized for the 90's driving conditions). Here, let's engage in some critical thinking... what happens when you introduce more line pressure to stock undersized pads and rotors?

For a single emergency stop, it does it's job. But sustained and repeated brake applications, maybe driving on windy highways, you're chewing through those stock 80 pads and introduce heat/brake fade much sooner.

I know I'm the one that brought up our brakes as part of our product line, and I can probably talk about proper engineering of brakes for hours and hours, so I'll try to keep it at that. If people want to have discussion on brakes they can DM me or bring it up on our brake thread in my signature below.

 

[NeverFinis]

One instances where I think full corner protection is an absolute necessity is Australia's well known bog holes, but that's why it's common to see brush guards in the Aussie world

I have to correct you. They are nicknamed "Roo Bars" for a reason: Animal Strikes, namely Kangaroos. They aren't called Bog Bars..

Are you claiming the Wilwood EPB at a min of 2400lbs of clamping force is "barely" better than stock 80? Interesting.

Yes.

You posted a video, at my request, of the Wildwood EPB trying to hold an engine above 1300 RPM. Massachusetts state inspection requirement is that the parking brake must hold at 1200-1300 rpm. I mean, if I was to drop serious cash, I needed to know if the EPB actually works better than stock. The EPB video never showed holding above 1200 RPM for any length of time,. My stock 80 parking brake does better, and with a 6.0L V8, since it passes Mass State Inspection...

 

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I have to correct you. They are nicknamed "Roo Bars" for a reason: Animal Strikes, namely Kangaroos. They aren't called Bog Bars..



Yes.

You posted a video, at my request, of the Wildwood EPB trying to hold an engine above 1300 RPM. Massachusetts state inspection requirement is that the parking brake must hold at 1200-1300 rpm. I mean, if I was to drop series cash, I needed to know if the EPB actually works better than stock. The EPB video never showed holding above 1200 RPM for any length of time,. My stock 80 parking brake does better, and with a 6.0L V8, since it passes Mass State Inspection...

I was specifically talking about the fender brush guards, not bull bars. To protect fender mostly from brush, and may protect fender from a bog/dirt wall.

Too many nuances between rigs to really say it's an apples to apples comparison. Your post brings up power, gear ratios, tire size, but there's still more to it. Some people who have first-hand experience would disagree. Happy to do any other testing now that the brakes are fully bedded and broken in, but let's discuss that in the brake thread.

 

[george_tlc]

I have to correct you. They are nicknamed "Roo Bars" for a reason: Animal Strikes, namely Kangaroos. They aren't called Bog Bars..

Yes indeed. Not sure about "well known bog holes"... There's a hell of a lot of DRY desert in oz.

Roobars are to deal with roos, emus and other silly things (sheep etc). They are also essential in the bush since many tracks are very overgrown. Roobars and bar work (think exoskeletons) are essential to keep the scrub and branches from taking out the body work.

Anyhow, the 'low profile' non-hooped front styles are near to non-existent in oz - for a reason.

There's always room for options. Choose wisely.

cheers,
george.

 

[ceylonfj40nut]

I have to correct you. They are nicknamed "Roo Bars" for a reason: Animal Strikes, namely Kangaroos. They aren't called Bog Bars..



Yes.

You posted a video, at my request, of the Wildwood EPB trying to hold an engine above 1300 RPM. Massachusetts state inspection requirement is that the parking brake must hold at 1200-1300 rpm. I mean, if I was to drop series cash, I needed to know if the EPB actually works better than stock. The EPB video never showed holding above 1200 RPM for any length of time,. My stock 80 parking brake does better, and with a 6.0L V8, since it passes Mass State Inspection...

It’s why I live in TX. No such crazy requirements on ebrake.

 

[Mark W]

Anyhow, the 'low profile' non-hooped front styles are near to non-existent in oz - for a reason.

There's always room for options. Choose wisely.

cheers,
george.

Here in Alaska aftermarket "low profile non-hooped" front bumpers tend to be found on rigs owned by kids who found cheap tube bumpers and feel cool because it ain't stock anymore. And really that's about it. Whether it is a trail rig or a road tripper (oops... I think we are supposed to call them "overlanders" now, right?). Anyway folks in these parts who know what they are doing buy their bumpers based on function, not style. In other places and for other types of use cute little bumpers may work really well. It just occurs to me, for example, that in the Philippines a heavy duty bullbar would be pretty pointless. But in these parts that's more a jeep crowd approach.


Mark...

 

[COS80]

This is a weird amount of pushback on a new product offering.

 

[Mark W]

There is no "pushback" here. This "new product offering" was dropped into a tech forum where we discuss what works, what doesn't, how it works, how to work on it, how to use it and our pertinent experiences. That is all that is happening. Just discussing. If they wanted to announce a new product and not have people ask and comment and only receive enthusiastic support then this is not really a good place to do so. I would expect that discussion would be appreciated. An informed knowledgeable buyer who knows what they are buying and knows it is what they want and need would seem to be the preferred customer.

Mark...

 

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This is a weird amount of pushback on a new product offering.

Tells more of the individual rather than the situation.

There is no "pushback" here. This "new product offering" was dropped into a tech forum where we discuss what works, what doesn't, how it works, how to work on it, how to use it and our pertinent experiences. That is all that is happening. Just discussing. If they wanted to announce a new product and not have people ask and comment and only receive enthusiastic support then this is not really a good place to do so. I would expect that discussion would be appreciated. An informed knowledgeable buyer who knows what they are buying and knows it is what they want and need would seem to be the preferred customer.

Mark...

What makes you believe we're only seeking enthusiastic support? Multiple times I've acknowledged the concerns, and pointed out a different approach(but maybe you're not comprehending why we did things this way). I've also pointed out that if it's not perfect for you you're more than welcome to commission us for design services, since this is what we're more focused on.

Here's your

 

[Mark W]

Tells more of the individual rather than the situation.


What makes you believe we're only seeking enthusiastic support? Multiple times I've acknowledged the concerns, and pointed out a different approach(but maybe you're not comprehending why we did things this way). I've also pointed out that if it's not perfect for you you're more than welcome to commission us for design services, since this is what we're more focused on.

Here's your

No need to try to turn this snarky and antagonistic. No one here, including myself has been so to you.

Why would I need you to design a bumper? Thanks but not interested. I have no need for this "service". I'm more than capable of doing that myself.

Mark...

 

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No need to try to turn this snarky and antagonistic. No one here, including myself has been so to you.

Why would I need you to design a bumper? Thanks but not interested. I have no need for this "service". I'm more than capable of doing that myself.

Mark...

General statement about design services for everyone