Production numbers: Locked vs. non-locked. How many were made? (2 Viewers)

[IndecentExposur]

Curious, how many 80-series models were made, and what percentage of those were triple-locked? I'm just trying to get an idea of how rare these trucks are.

 

[-Spike-]

The answers you are looking for are most likely covered in the FAQ, or in one of the links there, such as Slee's site.

 

[ThomasMore66]

I’d like to know how many are left too.

 

[Rifleman]

The following info is from Expedition land cruisers web site.
Below is the total number of land cruisers imported into the U.S. Market
1993 8886 units
1994 11007 units
1995 14208 units
1996 12816 units
1997 11502 units
Front and rear lockers were available on American models from 1993 through 1997, including on the Lexus LX450. It’s been said that approximately
7% of the Land Cruisers produced for the American market had lockers. Earlier models did not have lockers.

There are differences between axles with and without lockers. Axles with lockers have the diff openings cut a certain way to allow the fit of the locker’
d diff, so it is not possible to just bolt up lockers to a non-locker axle. There is also a difference at least one rear axle shaft with the splines being
longer on the locker or non-locker version (can’t remember.)

There is some pre-wiring that exists in all 1993-1997 models, and I believe that is the wiring to the switch, the locker ECU and the front locker. This
makes is somewhat easier to install Lockers on a non-locker vehicle if you have the other parts. Some models may have the rear locker wiring and
some may not.

All models have the locker switch on the dash just to the left of the steering wheel. Look for the dial switch when looking at used vehicles.

 

[jfz80]

Nice summary.
That last line is a bit misleading. I think you/they mean to say that the wiring is there for the switch as the dial isnt present in al models.

 

[Irish Reiver]

There was a MUD Member who did that breakdown a couple of years back. I seem to recall he even broke it down into options, colour etc. 6M1 was the most popular. He lined up his research so you could identify the rarest variant of each model year.

 

[IndecentExposur]

Wow, 7 percent? I did some searching here and on google. My search skills weren't up to snuff to locate it. I also found the wiki page where production numbers were given from 2000 on. A lot less than what is stated above.

 

[LS1FJ40]

This numbers seem higher than what I remember.

I thought it was around 5k/year from 91-97 to NA.

 

[LINUS]

There was a MUD Member who did that breakdown a couple of years back. I seem to recall he even broke it down into options, colour etc. 6M1 was the most popular. He lined up his research so you could identify the rarest variant of each model year.

This.

If someone finds it, maybe add it to the sticky threads - seems near a common question as oil & tires.

 

[LS1FJ40]

Land Cruisers Sold Per Year & Vin Numbers by Production Dates

 

[tominboise]

Which must make triple locked LX450's a rare bird indeed.

 

[IndecentExposur]

So is 7% a solid number of the triple locked versions?

 

[ThomasMore66]

Are lx450’s included in those production numbers?

 

[greentruck]

Which must make triple locked LX450's a rare bird indeed.

IIRC, not in Canada, where they only got the LX450 and not the 80 -- and all the Canadian LXs were locked.

Keep in mind that for all the discussion, the 90%+ of Land Cruisers that aren't fully locked are, ummm, not exactly incapable. The fact that Toyota saw no need to make lockers standard in their ultimate 4x4 offering is an indicator of their overall confidence in the platform meeting the needs of the vast majority of users.

There are circumstances when lockers come in handy, make things easier or are less stressful on the driver or the machinery, but for the most part the need for lockers is a matter of perception or reassurance on 99%+ of the trails you'll encounter. Most people pursue them because they want them, not because they need them. The perceptions of need are likely driven by trail conditions that the user expects to encounter, but just as often the need for lockers seems to be a matter of a desire of investing to maximize resale value, which in itself doesn't get you any further down the trail.

Another thing that drives perceptions of the need for lockers is memory of that stuck you could've driven out of "if I only had lockers." That's a possibility, but my experiences with being stuck are that it mostly would've made no difference or I would've only been stuck worse if I'd had the magic switch. And in almost a half-century of offroading, lack of lockers never kept me from making it home. Of course, we have more mud than rocks in the Midwest and rock crawling is where lockers do indeed offer a decided advantage in certain circumstances - provided this doesn't then inspire you to either break them or something else.

 

[LS1FJ40]

IIRC, not in Canada, where they only got the LX450 and not the 80 -- and all the Canadian LXs were locked.

Keep in mind that for all the discussion, the 90%+ of Land Cruisers that aren't fully locked are, ummm, not exactly incapable. The fact that Toyota saw no need to make lockers standard in their ultimate 4x4 offering is an indicator of their overall confidence in the platform meeting the needs of the vast majority of users.

There are circumstances when lockers come in handy, make things easier or are less stressful on the driver or the machinery, but for the most part the need for lockers is a matter of perception or reassurance on 99%+ of the trails you'll encounter. Most people pursue them because they want them, not because they need them. The perceptions of need are likely driven by trail conditions that the user expects to encounter, but just as often the need for lockers seems to be a matter of a desire of investing to maximize resale value, which in itself doesn't get you any further down the trail.

Another thing that drives perceptions of the need for lockers is memory of that stuck you could've driven out of "if I only had lockers." That's a possibility, but my experiences with being stuck are that it mostly would've made no difference or I would've only been stuck worse if I'd had the magic switch. And in almost a half-century of offroading, lack of lockers never kept me from making it home. Of course, we have more mud than rocks in the Midwest and rock crawling is where lockers do indeed offer a decided advantage in certain circumstances - provided this doesn't then inspire you to either break them or something else.

Correct! Where in the Midwest are you?

 

[IndecentExposur]

IIRC, not in Canada, where they only got the LX450 and not the 80 -- and all the Canadian LXs were locked.

Keep in mind that for all the discussion, the 90%+ of Land Cruisers that aren't fully locked are, ummm, not exactly incapable. The fact that Toyota saw no need to make lockers standard in their ultimate 4x4 offering is an indicator of their overall confidence in the platform meeting the needs of the vast majority of users.

There are circumstances when lockers come in handy, make things easier or are less stressful on the driver or the machinery, but for the most part the need for lockers is a matter of perception or reassurance on 99%+ of the trails you'll encounter. Most people pursue them because they want them, not because they need them. The perceptions of need are likely driven by trail conditions that the user expects to encounter, but just as often the need for lockers seems to be a matter of a desire of investing to maximize resale value, which in itself doesn't get you any further down the trail.

Another thing that drives perceptions of the need for lockers is memory of that stuck you could've driven out of "if I only had lockers." That's a possibility, but my experiences with being stuck are that it mostly would've made no difference or I would've only been stuck worse if I'd had the magic switch. And in almost a half-century of offroading, lack of lockers never kept me from making it home. Of course, we have more mud than rocks in the Midwest and rock crawling is where lockers do indeed offer a decided advantage in certain circumstances - provided this doesn't then inspire you to either break them or something else.

So after watching the market for a while, I found that buying the locked version (even at a premium) was worth it in case I want to sell it. Locked and a clean title goes fast in these parts.

 

[LINUS]

^^^it's smarter, just in case you hit a liquidity moment where you need to make some deep cuts / fire sale some bigger ticket items.

I know having a moderate/decent price & lockers is what sold my 450 in <week.

 

[Rifleman]

Nice summary.
That last line is a bit misleading. I think you/they mean to say that the wiring is there for the switch as the dial isnt present in al models.

I didn't write any of this, i just cut and pasted it from ExpeditionLandCruiserFZJ80FAQ web site.

 

[jfz80]

Why i included the "they" part

 

[greentruck]

Correct! Where in the Midwest are you?

Urbanaish.