Talking about Toms turtle back trailer, I guess I should mention that in addition to his trailer, Pat has a military trailer he has converted into a neat camper trailer with a ARB RT tent ,slide out fridge, onboard power, it’s a really cool tough setup. Todd has a similar trailer but is staying in a oz ground tent, I’m the odd ball as usual , and had 2 tents, a smaller 2 man and a larger 4 person with a cot, As well as the capability of sleeping in a hammock or the back of the cruiser. I actually did all of the above, but mainly used my smaller tent and one of my best ever pieces of camping gear, that being my 3” paco pad I sleep on. I figured with my recent knee replacement I might need the larger tent and cot, but did fine without it. We were to meet up with a couple more folks at the expo that would go with us, also friends of Pats. One is Jim McCoy a fireman from Pine Co. Jim is another awesome guy with some of the best backcountry ethics I’ve ever seen, Jim drives a 2500 dodge on 37’s , winch and with a camper shell, Jim knows Utah and Az like the back of his hand and being a fireman can get multiple days off by trading shifts. He has solo explored so much of this area it’s amazing and has gone to great effort to locate Scott Brady’s geocache in what is called the loneliest place in N. America . Which we were to camp within a few miles of one night. To say Jim is a awesome guy does not do him justice. The other guys we were to meet at the expo were 2 buddies of Pats as well, from Canada, Vince and his friend who I failed to remember his name but he spoke mainly French and spoke way to fast for me to even come close to understanding. They were driving a rented 4wd ford sportsmobile which is a e-350 factory converted to a camper with atlas tcase and dynatrack axles.. very nice ! They flew in to flagstaff to pick it up rather than drive Vince’s raptor from Canada. I saw quickly I was running in very good company and was really out classed.