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I agree on the MUD and TLCA front. TLCA was asleep at the wheel and bickering over stupid s*** like this. And that really is my point in all of this. I was asked to get a consensus from my local chapter for tonight's conference call. I respect everyone's view and will give the consensus of the chapter. I agree that TLCA has not had a sponsored event anywhere reasonably close. If there were more funds from Toyota might this not be more likely? And might TLCA be a better organization with the funds? Just my input. I agree that it isn't run anywhere near as well as it could be. I sent my last e-mail on the name change topic that basically said to stop bitching and moaning and do something constructive. That is what I am trying to do. I think getting Toyota to pony up cash to TLCA is a very realistic possibility and it would benefit all parties.
Just my thoughts.
BTW, Thanks to Brian for setting up MUD.
Just my thoughts.
BTW, Thanks to Brian for setting up MUD.
'MUD spawned off the Land Cruiser Mailing List, which was spawned off the OffRoad Mailing List...I was on the ORML in 1993. I've got online articles dating back to 1995/6. At one early point, Birfield.com combined their content, IH8MUD, TLCA, and some other sites into one server with the idea of creating a single online portal for everything Toyota related. The 'MUD forum had JUST started at that time, and there were ongoing issues with the forum software versus their server setup. I was given a financial option, and chose to find hosting elsewhere.
It's not TLCA's decision that the Hoosier Hoedown has chosen to be a non-sanctioned event. It's also not TLCA's decision that the Chicago Toyota Jambo is non-sanctioned. TLCA does not chase down events to support, nor do they host events...the local clubs do that, set up their registration/etc to meet TLCA guidelines and return a portion of their event proceeds back to TLCA. In exchange, TLCA has insurance options and promotion ability.
I agree on the MUD and TLCA front. TLCA was asleep at the wheel and bickering over stupid s*** like this. And that really is my point in all of this. I was asked to get a consensus from my local chapter for tonight's conference call. I respect everyone's view and will give the consensus of the chapter. I agree that TLCA has not had a sponsored event anywhere reasonably close. If there were more funds from Toyota might this not be more likely? And might TLCA be a better organization with the funds? Just my input. I agree that it isn't run anywhere near as well as it could be. I sent my last e-mail on the name change topic that basically said to stop bitching and moaning and do something constructive. That is what I am trying to do. I think getting Toyota to pony up cash to TLCA is a very realistic possibility and it would benefit all parties.
Just my thoughts.
BTW, Thanks to Brian for setting up MUD.
Well, in that case then I do not want more funds going to TLCA. If it means more TLCA events locally. The only reason I even have an opinion about TLCA is because of events. I dont appreciate being REQUIRED to join TLCA, and pay a due, just to attend an event (GSMTR, back in the day).
I am glad Hossier ho-down is not TLCA sanctioned. And CTJ will not be TLCA sanctioned.
I would feel like a douche (yes even bigger than I am
) if I required people to pay and join TLCA, only to have someone maybe reject you at the gate at the "vehicle inspections", and then Im sure TLCA will not allow the shenanigans that go on at CTJ.
I would feel like a douche (yes even bigger than I am
TLCA membership is NOT a requirement at all events...I just attended the LSLC RoundUp and there were a wide variety of vehicle makes and models there, Jeeps, Chev's, etc. TLCA offers varying levels of support for events and it is UP TO THE EVENT ORGANIZER to select what requirements they wish to fall under.
It is GSMTR's decision to be TLCA-only, not TLCA's.
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Brian,
Thank you for the clarification on the evolution of MUD. As for the "choice" part of the Hoosier Hoedown and Chicago Toyota Jambo. My feeling from the one meeting of the Hoosier Cruisers is that they feel they don't get enough out of TLCA to have it be a sanctioned event. Because. IMHO, TLCA doesn't have the backing to provide us with what we are truly looking for. Does that sound correct? If TLCA were able to support the event, promote, insure, help organize, provide swag, etc. would Hoosier Cruisers want the TLCA to sanction the event? Or is it a bigger issue? I don't know. I've only been here for a few months.
Thank you for the clarification on the evolution of MUD. As for the "choice" part of the Hoosier Hoedown and Chicago Toyota Jambo. My feeling from the one meeting of the Hoosier Cruisers is that they feel they don't get enough out of TLCA to have it be a sanctioned event. Because. IMHO, TLCA doesn't have the backing to provide us with what we are truly looking for. Does that sound correct? If TLCA were able to support the event, promote, insure, help organize, provide swag, etc. would Hoosier Cruisers want the TLCA to sanction the event? Or is it a bigger issue? I don't know. I've only been here for a few months.
They couldn't provide the exposure that a couple of threads on Mud could do and there is no insurance issues at the private parks.
And I have four Toyota 4x4s. None of which have a parking brake that would hold them in second gear since none of them are manuals. TLCAs safety requirements are a perfect example of how out of touch they are.
And I have four Toyota 4x4s. None of which have a parking brake that would hold them in second gear since none of them are manuals. TLCAs safety requirements are a perfect example of how out of touch they are.
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meet's TLCA's parking brake requirement, and I use something similar on my rig. $40.
Neither does my fj62 or my 4runner, and my 4runner has a cracked windshield. So "technically" I could be rejected. Despite the fact that I beleive that my truck MAY be one of the most sound vehicles at most events, due to me maintining to a level that is able to drive crosscountry with out a trailer, despite its level of molestation. (now should it be on the road.....different topic
)I understand that the tech inspections may not be as rigid as the paper work suggests, but its not a chance I was comfortable taking after driving 10hrs to tellico.
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As someone once stated "Any thread that stays on topic is not a good thread."
I will say that I have learned a lot from you Brian on the evolution or regression or whatever of TLCA. I've known that the TLCA doesn't go around chasing down events to be a part of and I understand the safety requirements that they have. My point in all of this is that, where does the fault lie in TLCA being out of touch or not providing more to the members? Does the fault lie with TLCA or the members that don't participate or contribute or elect the people running TLCA? That's an honest question. I don't know the answer to. I do know that the whole idea of changing the name to try to get more members is the stupidest thing I have ever discussed in my life.
I will say that I have learned a lot from you Brian on the evolution or regression or whatever of TLCA. I've known that the TLCA doesn't go around chasing down events to be a part of and I understand the safety requirements that they have. My point in all of this is that, where does the fault lie in TLCA being out of touch or not providing more to the members? Does the fault lie with TLCA or the members that don't participate or contribute or elect the people running TLCA? That's an honest question. I don't know the answer to. I do know that the whole idea of changing the name to try to get more members is the stupidest thing I have ever discussed in my life.
Neither does my fj62 or my 4runner, and my 4runner has a cracked windshield. So "technically" I could be rejected. Despite the fact that I beleive that my truck MAY be one of the most sound vehicles at most events, due to me maintining to a level that is able to drive crosscountry with out a trailer, despite its level of molestation. (now should it be on the road.....different topic
I understand that the tech inspections may not be as rigid as the paper work suggests, but its not a chance I was comfortable taking after driving 10hrs to tellico.
TLCA: Vehicle Inspection Requirements
Cracked windshields are 'evaluated', as are many other items. Frankly, many of the 'required' items are passed over when events are held at parks like Katemcy. Cruise Moab has STRICT requirements since vehicles travel on public roads AND since their permit with the BLM REQUIRES THE INSPECTION. Again, not the fault of TLCA.
Amazingly, for most of us the standard safety items are common sense. Tech'd an FJ40 about 10 years ago at an event in Iowa...fiberglass body, just finished, cage to the body ONLY...failed him 3 times thru until he finally got enough steel strap between the cage mounts and the frame to make it pass. Guy rolled the rig, his granddaughter and grandson riding with him...she broke her arm, and he thanked us profusely afterwards for the inspection.
Common sense is less common than many of us realize
The point is that they will not stall the vehicle in any gear. The Tundra and the FJC have fine parking brakes.
the phrasing on that requirement IS out of date...the actual test performed on an automatic makes sense.
why isn't it updated? good question....as I noted earlier, common sense is less common blah blah blah...
why isn't it updated? good question....as I noted earlier, common sense is less common blah blah blah...
Back on track for you Jeff. During my time in the club, I have often wondered, what is up with no financial support from Corp. Toyota? After all, we provide them free advertising. Where has TLCA been in trying to line this up before now? Have they asked?? I think it is a great idea and now is the perfect time to ask again. Our local dealers are supportive with discounts to TLCA members. So for me the question is whether someone in TLCA has the balls to go after it for the benefit of its current members????? Seems ripe for the pickins.
We learned our lesson. GSMTR 2010 and onwards will be an open event. No TLCA requirement. Though we will have a TLCA booth to sign up people who want to be.
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Well, in that case then I do not want more funds going to TLCA. If it means more TLCA events locally. The only reason I even have an opinion about TLCA is because of events. I dont appreciate being REQUIRED to join TLCA, and pay a due, just to attend an event (GSMTR, back in the day).
I am glad Hossier ho-down is not TLCA sanctioned. And CTJ will not be TLCA sanctioned.
I would feel like a douche (yes even bigger than I am
If you come to GSMTR this year your registration and trail use fee's will be free. All I ask is that you will have a beer with me.
If you come to GSMTR this year your registration and trail use fee's will be free. All I ask is that you will have a beer with me.
oooo free stuff. I feel like its a trap......
The new GSMTR looks great! And its closer than Tellico. That is the same week as our PYS tour though.
I think it maybe needs to be part of future tours though.
Great reading and possibly one of the best threads I've read on this subject. I personally think the name change is stupid, but is not really that big of a deal if it did.
TLCA membership doesn't really hold too much value to me either, but I just feel that it is not too big of a burden for what little we get. I also belong to a professional organization where I get next to nothing but am a major contributor because it's the right thing to do for unity's sake.
I remember when 'Mud started and I have always wondered why TLCA didn't offer something similar. The LCML was a PITA and Pirate was the best option at the time for anything LC specific. 'Mud has definitely brought all of us together and is of much greater value than TLCA will ever be. We probably don't say it enough, but THANKS Brian!
I also think that Toyota could/should do something to help out. I can't remember the exact number of Trail Team events that the Hoosier Cruisers sponsored, but it was a bunch. I really miss the Teams and wish that Toyota could do something similar or at least help keep the spirit alive with sponsorship. I bought my FJC because of the Teams and I am sure that I am not the only one.
I am probably the biggest voice for GSMTR locally and will probably always will be. Tellico closing is a huge loss for the off roading community and I hope that the new place is a good substitute. This year we decided as a club to forgo listing GSMTR as an official event due to the new location and lack of knowledge on whether it's really worth the trip. If the reviews are favorable, than next year will likely see it being added to our calendar. I am not sure if Trollhole and I have ever met before, past GSMTR's, but it appears through what I have read in his posts and his stepping up to the plate to bringing GSMTR back that their is solid leadership in the right direction. Nice offer to 4rnr, just be careful what you ask for!
Clint
TLCA membership doesn't really hold too much value to me either, but I just feel that it is not too big of a burden for what little we get. I also belong to a professional organization where I get next to nothing but am a major contributor because it's the right thing to do for unity's sake.
I remember when 'Mud started and I have always wondered why TLCA didn't offer something similar. The LCML was a PITA and Pirate was the best option at the time for anything LC specific. 'Mud has definitely brought all of us together and is of much greater value than TLCA will ever be. We probably don't say it enough, but THANKS Brian!
I also think that Toyota could/should do something to help out. I can't remember the exact number of Trail Team events that the Hoosier Cruisers sponsored, but it was a bunch. I really miss the Teams and wish that Toyota could do something similar or at least help keep the spirit alive with sponsorship. I bought my FJC because of the Teams and I am sure that I am not the only one.
I am probably the biggest voice for GSMTR locally and will probably always will be. Tellico closing is a huge loss for the off roading community and I hope that the new place is a good substitute. This year we decided as a club to forgo listing GSMTR as an official event due to the new location and lack of knowledge on whether it's really worth the trip. If the reviews are favorable, than next year will likely see it being added to our calendar. I am not sure if Trollhole and I have ever met before, past GSMTR's, but it appears through what I have read in his posts and his stepping up to the plate to bringing GSMTR back that their is solid leadership in the right direction. Nice offer to 4rnr, just be careful what you ask for!
Clint