Fitment is the issue. Gates is thick! But other constant torque oem style might work fine but just not sure what is the next size.
My observation for doing quick phh
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No they do not.
The problem if you go with oem clamps you find it’s hard to pull the retaining clips to ensure the clamp sits where it should
Using the constant torque, you can set the clamp and then feed your 8mm up with swivels and extensions and snug both ends of the clamp easily.
If you’re doing phh #2, use the oem clamps. You can actually snake up in there and set the hose with the oem clamp and using some long needle nose, pull the clip and set the new hose and clamp perfectly without opening up the whole throttle body.
Straight out of McGiver school
Using the constant torque, you can set the clamp and then feed your 8mm up with swivels and extensions and snug both ends of the clamp easily.
If you’re doing phh #2, use the oem clamps. You can actually snake up in there and set the hose with the oem clamp and using some long needle nose, pull the clip and set the new hose and clamp perfectly without opening up the whole throttle body.
Straight out of McGiver school
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Don’t over think hoses. The gates green stripe will have a thicker wall than the Toyota hose so the oem clamps may not fit over it. Many of us have done the PHH bypass with gates hose. This simplifies matters and eliminates 4 clamps. This has worked for me 8 years now. I use hardware store worm drive hose clamps. I know this is taboo but I’m a car maintenance kinda guy and don’t mind checking clamp torque every couple years. The factory sets the cruiser up to be its best for as long as possible hence spring clamps.
Mud insanity will tell you to use expensive clamps and loose sleep over it if you don’t. Good hose and mindfulness wins.
Mud insanity is a real thing for sure.
I agree on the gif house and mindfulness.
Not sure a $1-3 spring clamp counts as expensive in this hobby though.
I find the worm drive clamps tend to pinch hoses and create a weep/leak. More tension increases the problem. Maybe they require less of a heavy hand, but I think the very action of tensioning them pulls/pinches the hose.
Spring clamps are set and forget IF they are matched to the hose
The key word here is “if”. If is a big word. Why not just use the oem hoses if oem clamps are desired? Newbs want to venture out a little bit and expect something magic. Go into it or stay all oem I say.
When I did mine there were very few oem hoses available. They may be back in stocks now but they were when I was doing it. I got fairly clever finding some other toyota hoses that could be cut to size but had very close original shape but then there was a bunch I couldn't find.
I didn't have too much trouble sourcing new hoses recently.
I've shaped hoses for old cars in the past. Heat the hose in boiling water and push it into a bent piece of rod, or a bending spring etc
Not perfect, but it's been a help in the past.
My point is that what we buy from Toyota is great and should last many years. Now that we are fixed on refurbishing these vehicles, we can deviate from what we see on disassembly and commit ourselves to what we build.
Here are some pictures when I did the phh. You can see a 10yr old Gates phh and a new one.
If I had a piece of OEM hose and OEM clamps, would have used them but...
Honestly, the Gates doesn't seem any more reliable than OEM hose. *OEM clamps are too small for Gates
I will never use regular hose clamps again going forward.
There is good reason OEM is all CT. I think trying to preserve that is smart.
Mud turned me onto Bellmetric CT clamps when I did my ps/trans hoses. They are basically OEM clamps for different sizes.
If you find them for Gates OD, those would be perfect. I love those.
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If I had a piece of OEM hose and OEM clamps, would have used them but...
Honestly, the Gates doesn't seem any more reliable than OEM hose. *OEM clamps are too small for Gates
I will never use regular hose clamps again going forward.
There is good reason OEM is all CT. I think trying to preserve that is smart.
Mud turned me onto Bellmetric CT clamps when I did my ps/trans hoses. They are basically OEM clamps for different sizes.
If you find them for Gates OD, those would be perfect. I love those.
Constant Tension Metric Clamps | BelMetric
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