More Cup Holders?

[Living in the Past]

My opinion is just base it off the bottom of the console and be done. Starting in 79 the tub changed and moved the gas tank underneath. When the did that the floor was level under the console. Prior to 79 the floor was different angles and levels under the console. Even the two seats weren't at the second height. Higher over the gas tank and lower for the driver. That's the reason the holes to mount the console aren't level on the front, the seat bracket is angle for the seat height difference. When they left the factory the top of the console angled down and the bottom was level like the front floor, section just behind the seats where the back seat mounts bolted too or real close. Unlike the plastic console the bolted to the flat floor these were mounted front and back with empty shape underneath. Forty years in a utility vehicle many have gotten bent. I would either dropped the project or have a disclaimer stating your console might need to be adjusted for these to work.

 

[kruisinkid]

^^^^x2. Keep it simple. Its a 40. No need to over design it. Im happy to bend my console into place to suit the cupholder

 

[Jerryvi]

Actually, I have another question. Are you saying the bottom of the hole in the console is only 2 degrees off from level?

The floor of the depression is at 90 degrees from the inner forward face of the depression. So I guess we could call it within 2 degrees of "level." of your horizon. "Level" being relative because of the position of the vehicle at rest.

 

[iptman]

You were sent a very bent console. Looking around google image search....

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I totally thought that bend was original.

 

[iptman]

You could build 2, one for the bend and one for no bend. I would guess there's not a whole lot of in between. Once it's bent it goes until the console base is stopped by the floor pan like mine.

 

[Living in the Past]

You could build 2, one for the bend and one for no bend.

Problem is the bend was not stock and the angle of the bend is different from cruiser to cruiser depending on how hard it was stepped on.

 

[Jerryvi]

Problem is the bend was not stock and the angle of the bend is different from cruiser to cruiser depending on how hard it was stepped on.

I believe that the key relationship to be considered is not the bend on the top surface but the angularity between the inner forward face of the depression and the floor of the depression. The heighth of the inner forward face is also important and that can be determined by measuring the sample console he has.

 

[Living in the Past]

Just be use the bottom as flat. Figure the angle difference on the top above the opening and size of the opening. Your over thinking this. These were utility vehicles. I laid my 68 on it's side back in 75. In 76 found a 73 replacement top. Everything was fine until I installed 79 doors in 83. The top of the tub on the passenger's was bent in by the B pillar. Original doors were bent to match. New doors show the bend. Solved this using a come-along and strap. Put the strap around a large pine tree and used used the come-along to pull it out. Would adjust a little then eyeball it until it was even. This approach people used on this. They were not bought as a fancy sports car but something to beat up off-road.

 

[Jerryvi]

Just be use the bottom as flat. Figure the angle difference on the top above the opening and size of the opening. Your over thinking this. These were utility vehicles. I laid my 68 on it's side back in 75. In 76 found a 73 replacement top. Everything was fine until I installed 79 doors in 83. The top of the tub on the passenger's was bent in by the B pillar. Original doors were bent to match. New doors show the bend. Solved this using a come-along and strap. Put the strap around a large pine tree and used used the come-along to pull it out. Would adjust a little then eyeball it until it was even. This approach people used on this. They were not bought as a fancy sports car but something to beat up off-road.

I agree with you on the over-engineering of the product. I believe he is trying to do a CAD drawing for producing these cup holders and that is why the angles are being communicated. I too love the way that they are utility vehicles of the highest order.

 

[bhicks]

The bent one I have is almost 5 degrees off level when mounted. My guess is the 5 degree mark is the extreme. I think perfectly level is a brand new one and how it came from the factory. I think a good compromise will be to tilt the cup holder around 2 degrees to find that middle angle. 2 degrees off will still allow the cup holder to be fully functional no matter how straight or bent the console is. Right now my prototype has a 5 degree lean. I will try to get pics of version 1.0 soon. Works perfect on the console I have but 5 degrees is pretty off for a console that is perfectly flat with no bend. 2-2.5 degree angle will be perfect and should keep everyone happy. I will make the angle changes tonight and get version 2.0 made tomorrow.

 

[Jerryvi]

The bent one I have is almost 5 degrees off level when mounted. My guess is the 5 degree mark is the extreme. I think perfectly level is a brand new one and how it came from the factory. I think a good compromise will be to tilt the cup holder around 2 degrees to find that middle angle. 2 degrees off will still allow the cup holder to be fully functional no matter how straight or bent the console is. Right now my prototype has a 5 degree lean. I will try to get pics of version 1.0 soon. Works perfect on the console I have but 5 degrees is pretty off for a console that is perfectly flat with no bend. 2-2.5 degree angle will be perfect and should keep everyone happy. I will make the angle changes tonight and get version 2.0 made tomorrow.

Sounds like a good approach. I am still willing to purchase a prototype and them report back on the fit for you.

 

[Living in the Past]

Not sure I would go with 2 degrees off. But that's just me. I later put a straight edge on my B pillar to be sure my eyeballs we're still in calibrated. My simple approach would be put a straight edge across the top to be sure it's straight. Measure the level front to back on the front floor. Then measure the bottom of the console. This takes if the vehicle is level out of the equation. What it doesn't take out is if the frame is still straight and tub isn't tweaked. This also assumes the floor is flat originally. Could compare that to the back floor. My belief is they were both level originally.

 

[reade69fj]

Mine is not bent, it's straight: see pic (from a '69). Sorry for bad pic orientation.

 

[iptman]

That's backwards isn't it?

 

[bhicks]

View attachment 1520231 Mine is not bent, it's straight: see pic (from a '69). Sorry for bad pic orientation.

That does appear to be backwards. The storage compartment should be up near the front and not the back. Maybe I'm just looking at the pic wrong? If it IS installed correctly and just a weird angle; could you drop a level in the bottom and tell me if the bottom of the storage slot is level. I'm curious to see if it's level on a console that is perfectly flat.

 

[Living in the Past]

It's backwards, can see it's off to one side to clear the gas tank on the left side in the picture. Really can't be that hard to get a picture. Could snap some photos of two of mine in the morning. Both installed.

 

[bhicks]

It's backwards, can see it's off to one side to clear the gas tank on the left side in the picture. Really can't be that hard to get a picture. Could snap some photos of two of mine in the morning. Both installed.

Are both backwards. Was trying to figure out if an unbent console facing and installed in the OEM setup has the bottom of the storage compartment sitting totally level. That answer may have already been answered. There were a few previous comments that discussed that but I wasn't 100% sure I understood the responses.

 

[Living in the Past]

None of mine are backwards. The one that is backwards does not appear to have stock seats. The front seat frame is needed to Mount the console. While my 68 didn't come with bucket seats I installed factory buckets seats with the console. My 76 were factory installed.

 

[Living in the Past]

Very dark in the back of the garage is stored. Did take some crappy pictures that can post later. The 76 was bent like I thought. Pulled it up and got very close with a straight edge. Needs to be pulled out to do it right. It's very close to level as is the floor on the passenger's side. Easiest side to get to from the back. 68 while straight I need to pull it to do it right. It too is almost level as is the passenger's floor. These really are easy to straighten once out. The back is notched for the heater hoses for the rear heater. Didn't check but believe it's a single bolt. Front is only two. All easy to get to.

Curious to see which way you go. To work with the way the they came from the factory or somewhere somewhere in between what you figure is the average bend and factory straight. What every you do would include a disclaimer otherwise unlike the plastic consoles where they are correct or broken these spot-welded together steel consoles bent easily and likely to get complains.

 

[reade69fj]

That's backwards isn't it?

May very well be. I've not ever taken it off or thought about it in the 5+ years I've had the 40. But I have thought of just leaving it as it is and then simply cut a whole in the front flat portion and drop in a plastic cup holder insert.