Land Cruiser ‘Land cruiser trim’ vs 6th gen 4R TRDpro. Which would you pick?

[Corbet]

Dose nobody take care of their leather? My 80-series steering wheel is showing age with 284K but still has the original leather with no tears. Some very light cracking. And I don't consider myself great on the care level. Driver's seat stitching failed but leather fine. I swapped that with a seat from a higher mile truck that was in great shape. But yes I've seen low miles trucks that look trashed.

 

[elbarto]

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Good luck to all those hoping for $55k trail hunter 4runners.

So if 4R pricing is same as Tacoma, trim for trim, the 1958 will be basically identically priced with the Limited 4R. I still think the 4R will come out 1-2 grand higher than the Tacoma, all else equal, so then 1958 will undercut the limited…barely. Limited gets you leather seats, bigger screen, and (IMO) uglier interior. 1958 much more basic interior, adds rear diff locker.
TRD Offroad close to 10k less but only part time 4WD :/

 

[Jetboy]

Dose nobody take care of their leather? My 80-series steering wheel is showing age with 284K but still has the original leather with no tears. Some very light cracking. And I don't consider myself great on the care level. Driver's seat stitching failed but leather fine. I swapped that with a seat from a higher mile truck that was in great shape. But yes I've seen low miles trucks that look trashed.

I think very few people ever treat their leather seats. And most first owners of luxury brands lease them. I doubt any lessees care at all what happens to the leather after it goes back to the OEM.

The worst part of the LC200 interiors are the painted plastics. It wears off and looks bad. The 4Runner unpainted plastic doesn't look very nice on day 1, but it looks the same on day 6,000.

Between the lc250 and 4Runner - who knows?

 

[Corbet]

 

[bugsnbikes]

Modded LC250,GX550,Tacoma, and 4runner **** LC250 empty light not on yet.....

 

[Hiluxforever]

LC250

 

[Tigerstripe40]

Considering they are the same truck in the trims of 4Runner that I'd actually consider (Hybrid model with all of the TRD goodies)?
The front end doesn't bother me at all because:
1. I don't look at the truck when I am driving it.
2. I am going to replace the stock front bumper with an armored winch bumper.
3. I am going to replace any of the stock skid pans with actual skid plates.

I'll go with the one I can get with the cheaper out the door price.

 

[GTV]

I can't understand why anyone would choose the LC. What does it do better than the GX or T4R?

 

[Fort9378]

I can't understand why anyone would choose the LC. What does it do better than the GX or T4R?

Cheaper than the former by a good bit, full time 4wd and a locker over the latter.

Subjective but the new 4runner is also very ugly

 

[TWILLY]

Cheaper than the former by a good bit, full time 4wd and a locker over the latter.

Objective but the new 4runner is also very ugly

It really is.

I think the 1958 250 is the best looking Land Cruiser to hit the US market since the 55, even if it is a wide-body base spec 4runner.

But the 4runners will be hard to look at for the next twenty years.

 

[ToyotaLandCruiser]

Cheaper than the former by a good bit, full time 4wd and a locker over the latter.

Subjective but the new 4runner is also very ugly

I agree, that is the value prop.

 

[GTV]

Cheaper than the former by a good bit, full time 4wd and a locker over the latter.

Subjective but the new 4runner is also very ugly

I agree with you on the looks but I’m talking about substance here.

AWD and a rear locker is available on the 4R, isn’t it?

 

[Jetboy]

I agree with you on the looks but I’m talking about substance here.

AWD and a rear locker is available on the 4R, isn’t it?

Likely not. Toyota never sells one with everything. There's kinda universal Toyota. Never build anything truly great. Stop at good enough. Make customers choose.

 

[TheBat]

I agree with you on the looks but I’m talking about substance here.

AWD and a rear locker is available on the 4R, isn’t it?

4Runner might still be Full Time 4wd or a rear locker - not sure if they are available together on the upcoming gen, they were definitely not on the previous gen.

 

[Fort9378]

I agree with you on the looks but I’m talking about substance here.

AWD and a rear locker is available on the 4R, isn’t it?

Typically on 4runner it's one or the other. I don't see any reason that would change. It's the only differentiator for the 250.

 

[M1911]

4Runner might still be Full Time 4wd or a rear locker - not sure if they are available together on the upcoming gen, they were definitely not on the previous gen.

Probably not together. Based on the 5th gen, TRD Pro will get the rear locker, maybe a TRD off-road trim will also get the rear locker. Only the Limited will get full-time 4WD; the remaining trims will get part-time 4WD (no Torsen center diff).

4th Gen all trims had the Torsen center diff. The V8 was full-time 4WD only. The V6 could be driven in full-time 4WD but also had a part time mode as well. I don’t think any 4th gen trim had a rear locker.

 

[Tigerstripe40]

Cheaper than the former by a good bit, full time 4wd and a locker over the latter.

Subjective but the new 4runner is also very ugly

Base models vs Base models, sure, but once you start adding in different options and the upper level trims, the differences aren't as cut and dried.

The Land Cruiser (PRADO) First Edition is $500 less than the GX550 Overtrail+ (we don't have pricing on the 4Runner yet, but I am betting that the 4Runner TRD Pro or Trailhunter will be similarly priced).

The GX550 isn't hybrid (and thats actually a feature I want, personally) but I am seeing many people bemoaning the fact that the Land Cruiser (PRADO) is a hybrid. A GX550 hybrid would be my choice, but I suspect that truck will be getting to LX600 money.

I am also not sure that the full time 4wd option is much oif a selling point when part time conversion kits like this actually exist:

100 Series IFS Toyota Land Cruiser & LX470 Part-Time Conversion Kit

Part Time Conversion Kit

cruiserteq.com

I just don't see the Land Cruiser (PRADO) as being something that will be available in the US market for very long when I think the 4Runner and GX550 will out sell it by significant margin when comparing apples to apples feature sets. The Land Cruiser has always been the 'premium' offering from Toyota, but there is less to differentiate it from their other products to make it an appealing vehicle for many buyers, including this particular 'Cruiserhead.

 

[Fort9378]

Base models vs Base models, sure, but once you start adding in different options and the upper level trims, the differences aren't as cut and dried.

The Land Cruiser (PRADO) First Edition is $500 less than the GX550 Overtrail+ (we don't have pricing on the 4Runner yet, but I am betting that the 4Runner TRD Pro or Trailhunter will be similarly priced).

The GX550 isn't hybrid (and thats actually a feature I want, personally) but I am seeing many people bemoaning the fact that the Land Cruiser (PRADO) is a hybrid. A GX550 hybrid would be my choice, but I suspect that truck will be getting to LX600 money.

I am also not sure that the full time 4wd option is much oif a selling point when part time conversion kits like this actually exist:

100 Series IFS Toyota Land Cruiser & LX470 Part-Time Conversion Kit

Part Time Conversion Kit

cruiserteq.com

I just don't see the Land Cruiser (PRADO) as being something that will be available in the US market for very long when I think the 4Runner and GX550 will out sell it by significant margin when comparing apples to apples feature sets. The Land Cruiser has always been the 'premium' offering from Toyota, but there is less to differentiate it from their other products to make it an appealing vehicle for many buyers, including this particular 'Cruiserhead.

You're intentionally cherry picking on the pricing front. The FE is inflated pricing for a special edition. Thanks for reminding a whole forum full of people who already know that the 250 is a Prado. It's well known.

He said he wasn't sure there was any reason to buy the 250. I was just pointing out for others and myself there are reasons. I'm not doing some parts-bin 4wd conversion on a 65-70k vehicle. Additionally that kit is to go from full-time to part-time. Not rhe opposite. Fwiw with Tacoma's top trims being the same price as LC-LC, you can almost certainly expect the top 4r trims to be 65-70 at least.

Here is an accurate apples-apples comparison on pricing.

 

[grampswrx]

What happens with the LC when Lexus launches the GX with the same powertrain? As of now, I like the LC with the hybrid as it extends range and improves efficiency. However, for the same price, I would take the Lexus if it's a hybrid as well.

"Lexus says a hybrid powertrain will come to the U.S. after launch, using the same setup as the Land Cruiser with a turbocharged 2.4-liter inline-4 paired with an electric motor; more details will be announced later this year. A plug-in-hybrid model using the V6 seems likely, too."

The 2024 Lexus GX 550 Turned Me Into A Believer

Lexus finally nails the trifecta of capability, luxury and styling.

jalopnik.com

 

[OSS]

One key specification that’s never mentioned or noted anywhere is…
Headroom.
The LC has over an inch more headroom than the 4R. (I think).
That’s reason enough right there to choose the LC.