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Events/Trails Kreiten's 2018 LCDC photos and technical discusion
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Not sure you can compare apples (ATs) to oranges (MTs).Hell yes brother! Well said! My only objection would be the KO2 bullet (they are still horrible)
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And for some reason I always thought ProComp as a brand was a budget Jeep brand. Guess not!
I can compare KO2s to ProComp MT2s as I had both of them on my truck (there is no comparison) ProComps are far superior. If you want to mall crawl then yes KO2s are fine. BFG is the definition of Jeep brand
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Bahaha, that's a good one. ProComp, the company owned by Transamerican Auto Parts aka 4WheelParts (now Polaris), was literally founded in the 80s as a way for Transamerican to vertically integrate and then develop/source tires and suspension parts for Jeeps. If I'm not mistaken ProComp actually got its foot in the business as a lighting company in competition with KC until Transamerican got involved. I don't care what tires anyone runs but that's an interesting take.
Thanks for the history lesson..All I know is that every single stock Jeep that I see (today/present time) is running BFGs and not ProComps
Haha mall crawling. So anyway.. speaking of which I do 95% of my driving on road, mostly because that's how long it takes to get to the trail. Unlike you I'm not trying to start a flame war, so how are the procomps on the road? I could care less if they are marginally better off-road, so far I've run most of the trails you have in Moab on KO2s and never had issues, only reason I haven't run the rest is time. Baja. Pismo Beach every year. Fast runs out to the desert every month when the weather cools. Never a flat or issue. On road, I like getting to where I'm going... 80mph I prob have the family packed up. 90mph I'm prob alone and feel a bit sparky. 100+... maybe it's just one of those days. To me the KO2s always felt like the truck was on rails. How do the ProComps compare? I see a 40k mile prorated warranty for the PCs, how many miles before you need to change them? I've got 40k on my KO2s and I'm maybe halfway done. I'm asking legit questions not looking for a PC promo add (btw worst name ever, if you need "pro" in the name it's probably opposite).
My personal experience with ProComp goes back to the late 90s when I had a Jeep Cherokee I wanted to lift. I went to 4WheelParts because that was the only off road shop I was aware of back then. They pushed ProComp HARD because Jy was their owned/captive brand and I’m sure had the best margins for them. It was cheap quality but was acceptable for the price, though I ended up replacing the shocks quickly due to leaks.
ProComp tires became a big seller through 4WP stores because the sales guys would push them (along with their cobranded credit card not sure if that’s still a thing). You don’t see many PC tires mostly due to the fact only 4WP sells them to the best of my knowledge. It’s even difficult to find non sponsored reviews, and I’m honestly shocked to see a set on a 200. It looks like they did well which is great, but it’s not accurate whatsoever to call BFG a “Jeep brand”. BFG is one of the leading manufacturers in the world, and that’s why you see them on lots of trucks.
More tire choice for the consumer is a good thing, and if you like your ProComps that’s great. Calling out other people running BFGs is a bit unwarranted, and it sounds like you’re not familiar with the backstory on the brands. I’ve never run ProComps and will likely never run them because I hate 4WP, and I feel like the PC tires are slow to update their tires and have very few real world reviews compared to the big brands. I have a set of Mickey Thompsons, Nittos, and BFGs right now, so not loyal to any brand just don’t like the 4WP/PC arrangement.
Sure thing! I'm not sure if it's still accurate, but I know historically ProComp tires were largely sourced (read developed and manufactured) through Cooper Tires. Cooper continues to source tires for the Mickey Thompson brand along with Mastercraft (which evidently are now getting good reviews?) and others.
I think I bought mine from Amazon Prime can't remember but will purchase the next set via this route (I don't care who the supplier is). I run MT2s on my 40 as well (best off road tire I have ever ran)..I am not calling out anyone for running BFGs (speaking of personal experience KO2 vs. MT2)..I wish I could research the back story of every tire brand - unfortunately I have zero time or interest
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Agree on the name, Pro is JV .. My only complaint with the MT2s is road noise vs. the KO2s. I have had both in every possible road/off road condition (snow, deep snow, rain, ice, mud and rock)..Again, from personal experience the MT2 is better in every condition other then road noise (KO2 much quieter) .. Also, 3 of 3 200s that needed a winch this year were running K02s (this is a real use case and not my opinion) .. To each their own, if you like KO2s more power to you.
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Can you share with us if your tires (Procomps) are missing any lugs after running the trails in Moab and Telluride. On my nitto trail grappler MT, I have huge scores on threads and missing chunks of rubber after this year and last year wheeling trip. I think @kreiten is having same issue on KM2. I stop using Ko2 because of our driving style. I do run them on Tundra, it’s a good tire but it has its limitations hard rocky off road trails.
My MT2s have ~40k on them and have hit all the VA Blue Ridge, Moab, Breck and San Juan trails) .. I did notice a few lug slices but no chunking post Moab. I am pretty sure the slices came from all the rock on TOTW
The passenger rear does appear to have a slice in the side wall. I will order a new set of 4 before we hit Moab next year. One thing I will say is they do get a little louder as they wear. I cranked up the PSI to 43/44 yesterday (was running 33-35psi) and it did quiet them down a bit
(Grumpy old man says...) 
Sidewall strength aside...completely **treadless** tires could walk through most of Moab without issue...and likely stick to slick rock even better.
KO2s, Nitto G2, Ridge, Trail and other “Grapplers” with do fine. For Moab? Anything other than clay skateboard wheels from 1970’s skateboards should be plenty grippy.
Mud? Whole different story...but then none of the above mentioned tires will do particularly well in mud.
Sidewall strength aside...completely **treadless** tires could walk through most of Moab without issue...and likely stick to slick rock even better.
KO2s, Nitto G2, Ridge, Trail and other “Grapplers” with do fine. For Moab? Anything other than clay skateboard wheels from 1970’s skateboards should be plenty grippy.
Mud? Whole different story...but then none of the above mentioned tires will do particularly well in mud.
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Agree with the treadless comment for **most of the Moab** trails. I would pay to see someone with treadless/slicks attempt a rainy TOTW run, That would be some funny s***
(Grumpy old man says...)
Sidewall strength aside...completely **treadless** tires could walk through most of Moab without issue...and likely stick to slick rock even better.
KO2s, Nitto G2, Ridge, Trail and other “Grapplers” with do fine. For Moab? Anything other than clay skateboard wheels from 1970’s skateboards should be plenty grippy.
Mud? Whole different story...but then none of the above mentioned tires will do particularly well in mud.
Agree with the treadless comment for **most of the Moab** trails. I would pay to see someone with treadless/slicks attempt a rainy TOTW run, That would be some funny s***
Ha! Ya... My point was really just that “slick rock” in Moab is super sticky and just about any rubber will stick. So no...I’m not actually recommending treadless tires!!
And of course...you need serious puncture resistance/sidewall strength etc.
I’ve done TOTW in both KO2s and Ridge Grapplers and both were fine.
trail grapplers do just fine in the mud(Grumpy old man says...)
Sidewall strength aside...completely **treadless** tires could walk through most of Moab without issue...and likely stick to slick rock even better.
KO2s, Nitto G2, Ridge, Trail and other “Grapplers” with do fine. For Moab? Anything other than clay skateboard wheels from 1970’s skateboards should be plenty grippy.
Mud? Whole different story...but then none of the above mentioned tires will do particularly well in mud.
Yes. My bad. Forgot Trail Grapplers had been discussed. Didn’t mean to lump those with the others—rather the talking about Pro comp, KO2 debate, etc. Agree 100%... trail Grapplers are about as close to mud tires as you can get without going full mud.