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GregFrench

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I'm looking at a real nice HJ60, and was wondering what a fair price would be. It is in the southeast, which is pretty rare. I notice the Canadian ones going for $2000-$8000 depending on their condition. Is there a significant markup once they enter the US?
He's asking $14000. I offered him $10000 and he turned it down.

Thanks
 
I think you should expect an increased price in diesel LCs in the US because of the rarity and the importing costs. However, I don't think this should double the price. If you really want one bad, it's not that hard to buy one in Canada and import it. Doing this yourself will save you $$$.

Hard to say if $14000 or even $10000 is a fair price without more info and pics of the truck.

B
 
$14,000 US? That sounds outrageous. Unless it's absolutely near perfect. You can get a near new HJ61 up here (from Japan) for less than that. (I'm in B.C. Canada). With a price of 14K you could probably go a long way to putting a 1HDT into an FJ80. It just seems like an unreasonable amount of money for that vehicle.
 
$14,000 for a "real nice" HJ60 legal in the states is a fair price. comparing the Canadian available HJ61 with a state side available HJ60 is like comparing a Canadian HJ61 with the price of a Japan HJ61, not afair comparision.
first, try and find a "real nice" Canadian spec HJ60 then go through the hassles of importing it to the states including shipping to the south east corner. i know i wouldn't sell a "real nice" HJ60 for $14,000 titled in the states.

let's take you example of $8000 CND plus $200 for broker costs plus $400 for duty
(i think that is right but we will use this figure for the sake of argument) then the cost of shipping to the south eastern (this will vary since a "real nice" HJ60 will not be found in rusty BC or east of Manitoba but it might) so anywhere from $500 to $2500 shipping so you are up to between $10,000 and $11,500. time is money so factor in the search for the right truck and the hassle of getting it titled in the states (less than 25 years old) so $14,000 is a fair price.

my attitude on the situation is if you don't want to pay the price then look elsewhere. if i had a truck up for sale for $14,000 and someone offered me $10,000, not only would i turn it down i would also not entertain any offer from that individual after that. a offer of 72% of the asking price is an insult plain and simple.
 
I am with Wayne, 14k is not outrageous, if the truck is in very good condition. A rust free, well maintained, relatively low mileage (all assumptions of course) HJ60 in the States is well worth that.
If someone offered me 20k for mine, I'd laugh in their face.
jan
 
crushers said:
my attitude on the situation is if you don't want to pay the price then look elsewhere. if i had a truck up for sale for $14,000 and someone offered me $10,000, not only would i turn it down i would also not entertain any offer from that individual after that. a offer of 72% of the asking price is an insult plain and simple.
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Wasn't trying to insult anyone. He didn't have a price listed, so I offered him $10000. He told me after that it was $14000.
Thanks for the opinions. LIke I said...I have not seen one down in this area, and was only going on the NorthWestern US/Canada prices I have seen.

Here are some pics
 
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seen your pics .. Honestly I said ... if fine .. but nop an impresive condition for pay 14K ..

I pay 12K for my HDJ-80 here in Panamá :D but that's not the point .. interesting to see the engine status and overal shape of this cruiser.

I see nothing special on that, no turbo, no suspension seats .. no altimeter and no H55F . ? no LSD no full floater, no high center console.
 
GregFrench said:
Wasn't trying to insult anyone. He didn't have a price listed, so I offered him $10000. He told me after that it was $14000.
Thanks for the opinions. LIke I said...I have not seen one down in this area, and was only going on the NorthWestern US/Canada prices I have seen.

Here are some pics
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now that changes everything, the way you wrote the original post it sounded like he had the price posted and you offered low.
if someone didn't have a price posted then no insult was made.

a BRAND NEW 2H? holy crap that would be expensive. is there any paperwork with the unit? the price of the swap etc?

$14,000 sounds pretty reasonable..

cheers
 
Well, I strongly disagree that 14K US for that truck is a "good price". But it's my opinion. I think what's being missed here is what else that 14K would buy you. If that truly is a "good price" for what you get, then that truck would have sold almost right away. It's a lot of money for a very old vehicle. For not much more, you could take a quantum leap ahead. Again, my opinion, and like all opinions, they aren't really right or wrong.
 
Martin White said:
It's a lot of money for a very old vehicle. For not much more, you could take a quantum leap ahead. .
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so what do you think is his options for a "quantum leap ahead" are?

i love this one " a lot of money for an old vehicle", considering you just bought and drive a 15 year old vehicle. how did you justify your purchase?

to many people a 15 year old rig is still old, even ancient. i hear it all the time. you know as well as i that age means nothing. the truck in question has all the appearences of being well maintained, updated to a diesel and is registered in the states legally. i have seen some real POS CND diesel land cruiser fetch MUCH more stateside...

for $14,000 USD you could buy a gasser 80 and a LOT of fuel to boot, but if you wanted a Toyota diesel what else is there for him to consider?

cheers
 
I think 14K is a fair price for a HJ60 with very little rust and good shape overall.

I paid 14K cdn for an 86 HJ60 in excellent shape. I did have a little rust to deal with but the truck was clean, clean and very well maintained.
 
Ok, looks like I'm in the minority here! I will try to explain. From what I've seen, there is no economic justification for buying a 15 yr old HDJ81. They are expensive to buy, service is difficult to arrange, and shops, if you are having service done, have to be found that can deal with these trucks. So, you are right, I did the same thing, and that decision does not necessarily make total sense. What was my justification? I have always loved Landcruisers. I would have bought one years ago if not for the rust problem.

I could have picked up a US imported truck for about 12000 less than the diesel I got, and that's BEFORE the nearly 10K extra I've put into it, which now stands at about 30K. I do believe the quality of the vehicle I'm driving now FAR surpasses anything on the domestic market. So...based on finances only, it's not sufficient to justify my decision. But to own a unique, capable and fun vehicle has benefits you can't justify based on price alone. I had a Lexus GS300before this truck and I much prefer the truck, so I do have some ideas on refinement - although driving to a Lexus dealership and driving around in their service loaners, while they paid for gas, is a far different experience than looking after a 15 year old HDJ81.

For "quantum leap" I was thinking of putting a 1HDT into a US 80, or even a cummins, or something like that. Another friend of mine has an HJ61, and it is a VERY different vehicle from an 80. From what I've read on here, after this buyer gets his 14K 60 into shape, I bet the cost of doing what I am thinking of would not be that different from what I'm proposing.

Where did the money go? Well, by the time you've replaced the big end bearings, had all the fluids changed, tested the turbo, cleaned up all the minor problems, serviced the brakes, etc etc etc, you are a long way into cost. Also put a high end stereo in the truck, because the Japanese one that was in it was useless. 10 speakers in the truck and I had heard better sound coming from a clock radio. I also found out that the prior owner had removed BOTH swaybars, which I replaced with US spec bars. Another 600 bucks. Anyhow, I don't know if that makes any sense, but it's an attempt to explain my thoughts. Which apparently are in the vast minority here, so I concede I'm probably just plain wrong. I'm also somewhat anal about vehicles, and want everything to work, properly. I'm a non conformist thinker as well, hence my decision to convert to duracool. You should hear some of the shops here. "It's illegal", "it's dangerous" etc etc. Most people like to go with the heard. I know most of you reading this don't either, but even here I'm a non herder. Now on to the tough dog shocks. Even though this forum tends towards OME and Bilstein. LOL....
 
so for a states person buying a HJ60 for $14,000 is about the same situation.

for me, it is all about NOT having what everyone else has. 25 years ago that was a land cruiser so i got my first one and have owned many, many different cruisers till now. when i joined the Land Cruiser diesel bigots club i drove a gasser (even though i coudl have driven a diesel just as easily). why, to be different from our club. the RMLCA is saturated with diesels.

we are not so different, you and I. i feel for someone to be able to drive a completely legal HJ60 in the states that is rust free and no body work hidding the rust then this one is a fair alternative. if you talk to Sheldon $14,000 won't come close to doing a HDT swap into a FJ80/FZJ80. i know there is no way i will do one for that...

cheers and peace
 
I wanted to apologize if I've offended anyone as that's not at all my intention and I realize that there are many people here who have a lifetime worth of experience with these vehicles while I have only a few months. I was just offering a different point of view, more or less from the "outside". I like what you said about "diesel bigot" because I think I'm already turning into one myself! LOL!!! And now that I've messed with these trucks, I can see the value in dealing with a high end importer like Luxury Imports. I USED to look at some of the prices and think they were too high, but now, I know better. In fact, I know several people in B.C. now considering these vehicles and I always recommend they deal with an experienced, legitimate outfit such as Luxury or Outback. And I have nothing to gain by making that recommendation, other than saving someone the trouble of running around doing all the work themselves, or having it done by someone else. Thanks for your reply Wayne. I feel better now. :)
 
Martin White said:
I wanted to apologize if I've offended anyone as that's not at all my intention and I realize that there are many people here who have a lifetime worth of experience with these vehicles while I have only a few months. I was just offering a different point of view, more or less from the "outside". I like what you said about "diesel bigot" because I think I'm already turning into one myself! LOL!!! And now that I've messed with these trucks, I can see the value in dealing with a high end importer like Luxury Imports. I USED to look at some of the prices and think they were too high, but now, I know better. In fact, I know several people in B.C. now considering these vehicles and I always recommend they deal with an experienced, legitimate outfit such as Luxury or Outback. And I have nothing to gain by making that recommendation, other than saving someone the trouble of running around doing all the work themselves, or having it done by someone else. Thanks for your reply Wayne. I feel better now. :)
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No apologies necessary, as far as I am concerned. I am similar as you, I want everything to work perfectly. The HJ60 that we have been restoring for a while now originally cost 5k. I think the most valuable on the thing was the clear US title, everything else was more or less wrecked.
Now it has a new low milage 2H engine, a turbo, a completely new cooling system, new relays, a brand new H55F, a rebuilt transfer, rebuilt axles, rebuilt diffs, new various gages, a sound system, electric door locks, and a million small parts replaced. But absolutely everything works as it should, and I love it. Still missing are a new paint job, and different differential gears.
I added the costs up recently, and it comes to exactly the 30k (US$) that you mentioned, and none of these costs are for labor.
So if anyone can pick up a HJ60 in good shape in the US for 14k, it certainly doe not shock me.
cheers,
Jan
 
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