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I bought this the other day. I drove it for two days, and then I started having problems with the clutch. It grinds when I try to put it in reverse, as if there were no clutch, but it works when shifting up through the gears. At the same time I noticed the problem with R I also noticed that it became more difficult to shift into 1st.

Thanks for any help.
 
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hawkeye said:
I bought this the other day. I drove it for two days, and then I started having problems with the clutch. It grinds when I try to put it in reverse, as if there were no clutch, but it works when shifting up through the gears. At the same time I noticed the problem with R I also noticed that it became more difficult to shift into 1st.

Thanks for any help.
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Is the truck ENTIRELY stopped when you try to shift into reverse?

How does the clutch pedal feel? Clutch fluid? Does it downshift through the forward gears well enough?

Sounds initially like a clutch that isn't entirely de-clutching. Reverse doesn't have syncro, so both the input and output shaft of the transmission have to be stopped to shift without grinding. If you are rolling at all, then the output shaft is moving, and will grind a little. But it would also do the same if you had a clutch failing to disengage entirely (it would be sending just a little power to the input shaft, causing it to rotate).

Dan
 
The fluid is good. I dont think I am moving when I try to shift into R. Also it seems to down shift well eccept into 1st It is hard to shift into first down and up.
 
Interesting... had this exact issue with mine last night but it was due to loss of fluid in the master cylinder caused by a leak:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/79-95-toyota-truck-tech/256131-leaky-clutch-cylinder.html

if your fluid is good all i can say is reverse will sometimes not slide in as it has no synchro so what i learned to do is when i want to reverse to stop the car (entirely) slide the shifter into 2nd, then into reverse... that always lines it up. its become habbit now. as for 1st gear... it is very resistant to shifting into 1st when downshifting for me as well... never payed attention to this as my otehr car (non truck) also had a 1st gear that didnt like to be downshifted. generally speaking i think first gear requires the most force to shift into (upshifting) but it should never be difficult... just a bit more thought needs to go into it.
 
Same thing here, that sounds like the symptom when my clutch master cylinder failed. Reverse was toughest than every gear got worse until I was immobile. No visible leaks but the fluid was leaking past the master cylinder's seals.
 
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I have a '95 and it has always been harder to shift into reverse than any other gear. I haven't noticed it being difficult to shift into 1st though. You need to depress the clutch pedal further when shifting into reverse. I believe Toyota designed it this way so that you wouldn't accidentally shift into reverse. it is something you get used to.

So make sure you are stopped completely and try depressing the clutch further when you put it into reverse. if it still grinds you may have a problem with your clutch.
 
The thing is that it shifted smothly into all gears just that morning. Then all at ones it was inpossible to shift into R when the engin was running and 1st became hard. I dont know if it is related but the check engin light came on that morning long before I started having problems.
 
my clutch grinds in nuetral and all gears howl except 4th going down the road.

the previous owner had ATF in the t-case and gear oil in the tranny which blew the mating gasket i think. for now i ran a hose from filler plug to filler plug(tranny to t-case) until the tranny goes.

there was about a tea spoon of metel shavings on the tranny drain plug. doesnt look good but its lasted 8000 miles so far.
 
Shortly after getting my '87, I started having the same trouble, it was almost impossible to shift into R even when sitting still, I pretty much had to SLAM it into R, not a good feeling. Tough to get into 1st from a stop too. I went all through the clutch hydraulics, everything was perfect, and the travel at th slave looked correct. Problem persisted. It ended up being the clutch, it was worn down to the rivets on both sides.

I still have a lot of trouble getting into 1st, but I believe it is in the tranny now, worn out synchros. I typically shift into 3rd, then it will pop right into 1st. Tranny is starting to make a lot of bearing noise, so the end is near. I have a freshly rebuilt R151F in the garage, I just need to install the crawler gears in the t-case, then swap it in.

Lots of noise in every gear but 4th indicates a worn out intermediate shaft bearing. 4th gear is direct drive, 1:1 ratio, no reduction.

Hawkeye, the CEL is not related to the clutch at all, but you should pull the code out of the EFI ECU and see what's up with that.
 
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