Help: 2017 lx570 or Lc?

[grinchy]

One can argue that AHC is also less reliable and more maintenance cost. See recent threads about AHC issues and how much it is to repair!

That can’t be argued successfully. How much is a quality three inch lift? How much fiddling with new load springs, road load springs, manually setting shock settings etc. do you do on that lift? Count those posts!

almost every modified Tlc on here has a two inch lift and many have UCAs. Those parts aren’t free, and that is just to get 1/2 of ahc capability (it goes up and down)

Ahc breaks no doubt, I’m going to do new accumulators soon at 220k they cost $600. New shocks would be similar cost I expect, and those are 60k parts.

this is one of the only forums with ahc support, so there will be ahc threads. But how many have straight failed in my watching posts for two years ? Less than five. And repair is usually in the $100s not $1000s.

do you worry about your brakes failing? Ahc is very similar system. Aside from a busted line it doesn’t have a catastrophic failure mode.

back on topic people buy what they want but sister models Like tlc and lx570 are very much the same . Mostly it is demographics and how people view themselves. Objectively very little different

 

[Madtiger]

That can’t be argued successfully. How much is a quality three inch lift? How much fiddling with new load springs, road load springs, manually setting shock settings etc. do you do on that lift? Count those posts!

almost every modified Tlc on here has a two inch lift and many have UCAs. Those parts aren’t free, and that is just to get 1/2 of ahc capability (it goes up and down)

Ahc breaks no doubt, I’m going to do new accumulators soon at 220k they cost $600. New shocks would be similar cost I expect, and those are 60k parts.

this is one of the only forums with ahc support, so there will be ahc threads. But how many have straight failed in my watching posts for two years ? Less than five. And repair is usually in the $100s not $1000s.

do you worry about your brakes failing? Ahc is very similar system. Aside from a busted line it doesn’t have a catastrophic failure mode.

back on topic people buy what they want but sister models Like tlc and lx570 are very much the same . Mostly it is demographics and how people view themselves. Objectively very little different

We’re talking stock vs. stock. A LX at max height matches stock LC in angles. We’re not comparing a lifted LC. Now, you can crank your AHC even higher (i guess) but that is not stock Specs.

And stock vs. stock, AHC is less reliable and cost a lot more to maintain than good old shocks and springs from Toyota.

Read recent issues with young LX AHC issues. Yeah, brakes can fail...but AHC can fail...so, now two things to worry about.

 

[Chrisleduc1]

 

[TeCKis300]

My LC officially is 32 approach angle, 24 departure.

Car and driver tested both handling. Same test results. Similar braking. No advantage.

As for doing things above payload rated, I don’t know and I certainly would not do that. But we can only compare OFFICIAL specs.

One can argue that AHC is also less reliable and more maintenance cost. See recent threads about AHC issues and how much it is to repair!

The LC has excellent approach and departure numbers. Don't dismiss breakover and underchassis clearance either as as it's a huge part of why we lift vehicles for off-road. If recent off-road damage to your steps is any indication, I think you might understand why. I've considered sliders too. My experience with clearance provided by AHC suggests I may not even need it.

Handling is not just about numbers. That the heavier LX puts up the same numbers is part of it, but feel is a great part of it too as it's what's felt day to day.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to say the LX or LC is better. Only to put forth objective facts for a potential owner to decide because it's too easy to generalize with blanket statements that are oftentimes misleading.

After all, it's 2 great flavors of the same core 200-series vehicle. In other countries, there are trim variants of a LC body with AHC. Land Cruiser ZX. That would be the bestest 200-series vehicle if ultimate angles, ride, and stock capability were the goal.

 

[grinchy]

For sure!

 

[04UZJ100]

My three issues for not going the LX route was the front-end, stupid mouse pad and it takes premium fuel which drove me nuts sense it’s basically the exact same engine in the LC. Ok, a bonus fourth is that every single LX570 at my kids school are driven by Moms...it makes sense, as it’s an uber safe and comfortable suv for the family. My family loves the LC and prefers the LC. They also hate the front end LX

Taking premium fuel is a myth. I did a 4,000 mile road trip through the middle of nowhere Canada and filled up regular every time.

No knocking observed.

 

[Madtiger]

The LC has excellent approach and departure numbers. Don't dismiss breakover and underchassis clearance either as as it's a huge part of why we lift vehicles for off-road. If recent off-road damage to your steps is any indication, I think you might understand why. I've considered sliders too. My experience with clearance provided by AHC suggests I may not even need it.

Handling is not just about numbers. That the heavier LX puts up the same numbers is part of it, but feel is a great part of it too as it's what's felt day to day.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to say the LX or LC is better. Only to put forth objective facts for a potential owner to decide because it's too easy to generalize with blanket statements that are oftentimes misleading.

After all, it's 2 great flavors of the same core 200-series vehicle. In other countries, there are trim variants of a LC body with AHC. Land Cruiser ZX. That would be the bestest 200-series vehicle if ultimate angles, ride, and stock capability were the goal.

My damage to board is from the side...getting too close to a small boulder. Bad driving on my part. But excellent reason to convince my wife that I need it.

 

[ridetime]

Taking premium fuel is a myth. I did a 4,000 mile road trip through the middle of nowhere Canada and filled up regular every time.

No knocking observed.

My concern would be with newish LX's that are still under factory powertrain warranty or extended Lexus warranty. If you think a Lexus dealer would not use it as leverage to deny a drivability related warranty claim you are kidding yourself.

 

[04UZJ100]

My concern would be with newish LX's that are still under factory powertrain warranty or extended Lexus warranty. If you think a Lexus dealer would not use it as leverage to deny a drivability related warranty claim you are kidding yourself.

Find one documented case where regular gas was used in an LX that caused premature wear or actual damage.

 

[slipkid13]

My three issues for not going the LX route was the front-end, stupid mouse pad and it takes premium fuel which drove me nuts sense it’s basically the exact same engine in the LC. Ok, a bonus fourth is that every single LX570 at my kids school are driven by Moms...it makes sense, as it’s an uber safe and comfortable suv for the family. My family loves the LC and prefers the LC. They also hate the front end LX

"stupid mouse pad"

Plus on on that. As a 2013 LX owner who has dealt with the mouse pad in a loaner it is a deal breaker for me. Drive the LX and use the muse pad and see if that is something you want to deal with on a daily basis......

 

[slipkid13]

My concern would be with newish LX's that are still under factory powertrain warranty or extended Lexus warranty. If you think a Lexus dealer would not use it as leverage to deny a drivability related warranty claim you are kidding yourself.

Excellent, people who dropped 65K + on a 6k lb truck that gets 15MPG on a good day are now gonna argue that using premium fuel is a waste of money. Cause saving $6 a fill up is where you are gonna save the big bucks...........

 

[ridetime]

Find one documented case where regular gas was used in an LX that caused premature wear or actual damage.

I totally agree with you. I don't think it will make any difference what you use. What I said was I F you do have an issue that even possibly, remotely COULD be related to fuel requirements and you present that issue to a Lexus dealer under warranty they would legally have a basis to deny your claim. Try reading and comprehending what I said before you reply and you might make a more intelligent argument next time.

 

[mike552]

To be fair, he did say “documented case”. He did not say instance, etc. I took that to mean that there are probably no documented cases of a dealer attempting to deny a claim based on octane use.

You should probably follow your own advice on reading comprehension.

Try reading and comprehending what I said before you reply and you might make a more intelligent argument next time.

 

[ridetime]

To be fair, he did say “documented case”. He did not say instance, etc. I took that to mean that there are probably no documented cases of a dealer attempting to deny a claim based on octane use.

You should probably follow your own advice on reading comprehension.

What I said:
“ I F you do have an issue that even possibly, remotely COULD be related to fuel requirements and you present that issue to a Lexus dealer under warranty they would legally have a basis to deny your claim.”

How would you I or anyone else know of a “documented case”? Unless you work for Toyota processing warranty claims you wouldn’t. Just because the 1 percent of owners on this forum haven’t experienced it doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.

If it’s in black and white in your owners manual and you choose to ignore it that’s up to you. Don’t let common sense stop you. After all it’s your vehicle.

 

[Angelo1]

Excellent, people who dropped 65K + on a 6k lb truck that gets 15MPG on a good day are now gonna argue that using premium fuel is a waste of money. Cause saving $6 a fill up is where you are gonna save the big bucks...........

It’s not the cost but the principal of being required to use Premium for the same engine in the LC that only needs Regular.

 

[Angelo1]

If I wanted a luxury mall cruiser, it sure the heck would not be the new LX. I’d rather have a Range Rover all day long. Majority of people who buy premium luxury SUVs only keep them for 3-4yrs., why not buy the most comfortable better looking of the bunch if you’re spending 100k.

 

[SharpeCat]

It’s not the cost but the principal of being required to use Premium for the same engine in the LC that only needs Regular.

It is definitely also the cost. When looking at the bigger picture and over 300k miles, you are looking at a 10k difference in cost. The difference grows as the vehicle goes past 300k.

That is 10% of vehicle price when buying new. For someone like me who paid 18k for one with 180k, then the difference for me over next 180k is another $6k, aka 33% of my vehicle cost.

The argument that you are trying to cut insignificant costs for no good reason is invalid. It should be argued that you are spending significant amounts more over the long run for reasons not good enough.

I run my LX on solely regular and will let you guys know if I have any regrets.

As far as LX vs LC, there is only 1 choice for me. I set out a budget of 20k for base vehicle, and with that it isn’t possible to get an LC with the same capabilities as the LX stock.

A stock LC requires least 5k more just to fit 33s/34s properly and match the clearance that my LX has stock. A used LC also costs more than a used LX.

When you consider that a used LC in similar condition costs 5k-10k more used, and that it needs suspension mods in addition after that to match the stock LX, then you’d realize how quickly it runs out of my budget. That is just to match a portion of the AHC capabilities.

If I had all the money in the world, I’d go LC and put King suspension and portal axles on it and call it a day. But then again, if money wasn’t a factor then everything done to the LC can also be done to the LX.

The LC wins when you have Money for a really nice suspension upgrade capable of surpassing AHC, but not unlimited money and the LX wins the “best bang/most capable for your buck” when buying used, And by a long shot. Even then, the heavily nodded LC only wins the off road portion of your ownership experience, which is likely 1% of the time you drive it even for us enthusiasts.

 

[427Monster]

2016+ LC vs 2016+ LX --> LC purely for looks.
2013-15 LC vs 2013-15 LX --> LX.

I also like that LC flies under the radar (if that's important to you).

Gas wise, I'm used to 93 octane.
2 of my cars are specifically tuned for it.
My other car requires it as well as wife's 2 cars.
I just put it in my LC as well.

Some call it a waste. Meh.

 

[SharpeCat]

2016+ LC vs 2016+ LX --> LC purely for looks.
2013-15 LC vs 2013-15 LX --> LX.

I also like that LC flies under the radar (if that's important to you).

Gas wise, I'm used to 93 octane.
2 of my cars are specifically tuned for it.
My other car requires it as well as wife's 2 cars.
I just put it in my LC as well.

Some call it a waste. Meh.

To be fair, it usually isn’t the regular gas folks picking on the premium folks, but rather the other way around. I don’t judge people for wanting The best for their babies, or for wanting to follow manufacturers recommendations, as long as they don’t judge me for choosing a different route myself. I don’t imply people are stupid for using premium gas, but people have implied I’m stupid for using regular.

 

[Angelo1]

It is definitely also the cost. When looking at the bigger picture and over 300k miles, you are looking at a 10k difference in cost. The difference grows as the vehicle goes past 300k.

That is 10% of vehicle price when buying new. For someone like me who paid 18k for one with 180k, then the difference for me over next 180k is another $6k, aka 33% of my vehicle cost.

The argument that you are trying to cut insignificant costs for no good reason is invalid. It should be argued that you are spending significant amounts more over the long run for reasons not good enough.

I run my LX on solely regular and will let you guys know if I have any regrets.

As far as LX vs LC, there is only 1 choice for me. I set out a budget of 20k for base vehicle, and with that it isn’t possible to get an LC with the same capabilities as the LX stock.

A stock LC requires least 5k more just to fit 33s/34s properly and match the clearance that my LX has stock. A used LC also costs more than a used LX.

When you consider that a used LC in similar condition costs 5k-10k more used, and that it needs suspension mods in addition after that to match the stock LX, then you’d realize how quickly it runs out of my budget. That is just to match a portion of the AHC capabilities.

If I had all the money in the world, I’d go LC and put King suspension and portal axles on it and call it a day. But then again, if money wasn’t a factor then everything done to the LC can also be done to the LX.

The LC wins when you have Money for a really nice suspension upgrade capable of surpassing AHC, but not unlimited money and the LX wins the “best bang/most capable for your buck” when buying used, And by a long shot. Even then, the heavily nodded LC only wins the off road portion of your ownership experience, which is likely 1% of the time you drive it even for us enthusiasts.

How is my opinion invalid? It’s very valid to me as to why it’s my “opinion”. Premium fuel cost vs regular doesn’t sway me. All my other cars take Premium. Also, I live in TN and gas here is pretty cheap compared to most other states I just don’t think the LX is deserving of a Premium gas product for an under 400hp V8