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concretejungle said:
you could look at them as sliders too................may actually help slide across obstacles. Food for thought. :idea:
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This is what I feel the pictures express ... where the rear brackets alone might get hung up on the front edge, this edge gets smoothed over more or less with the MAF brackets.



TY
 
Originally Posted by concretejungle
you could look at them as sliders too................may actually help slide across obstacles. Food for thought.
T Y L E R said:
This is what I feel the pictures express ... where the rear brackets alone might get hung up on the front edge, this edge gets smoothed over more or less with the MAF brackets.
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Not to beat on this too much, but as Christo identified earlier, have you ever tried to "drag" or "slide" an 80 over or across rocks? Most of these are 6000 lbs plus at a minimum. It doesn't take getting both frame rails and both diffs hung up to beach you, it takes part of one slider or your xfer case skid plate. If you've seen the Death Valley trip video or photos from this year you can see a certain white 80 on 33's get completely stuck on one rock sticking up and catching the xfer case skid plate. That was all it was hitting.

I'm not bashing MAF's lift kit but if you think those rear control arm drop brackets aren't going to meet a lot of rocks, seriously affect your breakover and are just going to let you "slide" over big rocks then please show me the pictures.
 
Walking Eagle said:
They are no lower to the ground than stock, so they aren't lowered even more. They are lower than some other lift options, but you can't say "you lower them even more." and be correct.
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What do you mean not lowered? Look at the picture again. They are clearly lowered. Lower than stock.
Like others said you can't slide 6000+ pounds.
 
What if we start a solid discussion in whole new thread and compare two builds identical except for the MAF brackets. Get some factual info on exactly how they manifest themselves in various conditions; rocks in particular. Might be good for a lot of guys to se this stuff discussed with pics and knowledgeable criticisms.

Might be helpful also to compare diffeent suspension scenarios....like a rig with 35's and 4" lift , vs 6" + MAF .. in terms of drop brackets and the potential to stick on the rocks, what is the comparable none MAF lift which will see the same potential for getting hung up .. IOW's regardless of tires, would a 6" + MAF experience similar clearance issues as a 2.5" + 1" spacers?

Lets beat this into the ground in a new thread ..



TY
 
clownmidget said:
If you've seen the Death Valley trip video or photos from this year you can see a certain white 80 on 33's get completely stuck on one rock sticking up and catching the xfer case skid plate. That was all it was hitting.
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Hey, it was my spotter!
 
Yes but without the drop bracket it is 4" higher. Why keep it at stock location? The stock height is to low to begin with. Now you are going to keep it there? Stupid.
 
pictures dont mean anything. that vehicle needs to drive up to a solid ledge and see what happends when those brackets hit it before the rear tires do. pulling from the front tires and pushing from the rear wont get it over. i also wouldnt want to be the one spending that kind of money only to find out its catching rocks....

It just seems silly to me. If you looking to go that big..... its for rocks. its not expeditioin or mild wheeling its for rocks.. and its an obvious flaw. now if you want that "look" of a "crawler" or "hardcore rig" then mission accomplished.

seems like alot of guys on here are going for just the right "look"..........
 
Well said Sickboy! I agree 100%
 
.... and btw, it's cool if you're going for the look. No prob with that, but don't try to pretend it will be as effective on the rocks.
 
You never really know until you try it out.
Cheers,
Sean
 
I understand the drop brackets for the front axle (drop bracket where the control arm meets the frame), there are some castor/steering issues that having the rear of those arms dropped down would help with (and rarely are you backing up something that those would hit on)...but the drop brackets for the rear are a different animal I think. The idea I think is that keeping the upper and lower rear control arms as close to the stock angle (therefore level) would be preferred. However, I don't know if there is any real benefit to that. When you keep those arms level the arc they move through with suspension travel is more uniform (say -15 degrees to 0 degrees to 15 degrees), and thus the forward/aft movement of the axle is minimal, versus having those control arms be at a substantial angle, then with travel the fore/aft movement is more pronounced. But, I can't think of what that really would hurt. If going with a big lift you might have to have longer rear lower control arms though because of the angle and therefore the forward movement of the axle while just sitting there, one way around the high-angle-need-longer-arms problem is to just drop the arms down so they are level again, then your stock arms are fine (assuming you stock arms put the axle where you want it anyway, which isn't always true, with big tires, many times you need to figure out the best place to cut away metal so moving the axle forward or back is necessary anyway).

My guess is this lowered setup will handle better with suspension travel, but might leave something to be desired with the approach to rocks. The ideal as far as rocks is concerned is no control arm at all, just something coming down vertically to hold the tire in the right spot, but ofcourse that's not possible...the ideal for suspension movement and stock suspension travel is drop brackets like this setup...everything is a compromise...who will win? Probably the one with bigger tires and more power.. :D

Sweet buildup though... :cheers:
 
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