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Yeah, after posting I decided that is the wiser thing to do.
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Pull those wires out and take a piv
Yup...... NM state building code is different.... Never seen a self grounding recpt. Been doing Elect work since 1980 FWIW the ICC is still on the 14 code cycle.. The county is on the 2011 NEC. ThE CITY is on the 2014Self-grounded recepts are allowed under Art 250.146 (A) and (B)
No, you must have at least 6" of wire INSIDE the box. You also need at least 3" extending outside the opening of the outlet. See Art 300.14.
...and you're an inspector?
Most all spec & commercial grade outlets are self-grounding
250.146(B) Contact Devices or Yokes. Contact devices or yokes designed and listed as self-grounding shall be permitted in conjunction with the supporting screws to establish the grounding circuit between the device yoke and flush-type boxes.
But this is the difference. If it doesn't say "self-grounding" on the label, and it doesn't have the little clip on the ear of the yoke, then it's not technically listed.
Self-grounding:
Not listed as self-grounding:
It makes no sense to put a self-grounding device in a plastic box. They do cost more.
Never ever have I not installed a ground wire on the ground terminal of a device... After seeing the pic we used them in commercial installs. Grounded them anyway...
250.146(B) Contact Devices or Yokes. Contact devices or yokes designed and listed as self-grounding shall be permitted in conjunction with the supporting screws to establish the grounding circuit between the device yoke and flush-type boxes.Yep..... I read it..... Statement stays.... My employer or me as an employer would fire you for not using a wire.....
Keep in mind as an inspt. I interpert the code as if I am the end user of a property or the owner..... That is my basis of why and what I do.... Add to that the end user gets a better product..
the ground is brown...at least, it is under my feet...
just paint those bare conductors with plastidip and be done with it...it's ONLY 120 volts...
I mean, you are a HOME OWNER, right?
That is what I tell home owners.....
and you get to have arbitrary control of something/someone... let's not leave that facet out of it...
There is that....... Good thing I am not power hungry like some of my co-workers.... Found a recpt over a tub..... Have to bust up tile and change out a mirror.... Live safety.and you get to have arbitrary control of something/someone... let's not leave that facet out of it...
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My new house has receptacles, switches, coax, a TV, & a cable box over the tub. All were approved before & after installation.
Cool
kinda makes you wonder why you bother sometimes, don't it?
Personally, I think the inspector was secretly hoping the HO would drop a toaster in with the bubblebath
Yup or paid off. Only under special cirumstaes would I pass that
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There were several things he passed that surprised me - some I think he missed, but they all got fixed anyway. But the tub was something I asked the electrician about before it was done, and he called the inspector to check before running the wires. No, I didn't pay any extra.
I would have broke out a tape measure. And the NEC in that one..... NEC 406.9 C ...... Maybe he did not consider that over the tub... I might have.... $$$$$$$ A pic is not how I inspect anything...