Electrical problems, 99% solved

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This thread is about all the problems I encountered since I bought this ’78 BJ40 in June 2009.
I’ll write about it, not in a timeline or grouped by problem, but as I recall these problems by head with the assistance of my logbook that I keep.

Let’s begin with a little side step.
The first thing I did after I bought this truck was a visit to Purdy Motor SA. Purdy is the official Toyota importer / dealer. I had a little issue with the brakes. The PO told me that when it was parked for a couple of days the right front wheel braked a bit harder then the other 3 wheels. Turns out that the right front wheel had the only decent working brake. So 8 brake shoes and 8 cylinders later I had a safe truck on the road. BTW, Toyota has no longer the OEM parts and uses the aftermarket stuff which you and I can buy on every street corner. They are very honest about this. The receipt showed a line: external bought parts…….. at a normal sales price.

Back to the subject of electrical problems.
After coming home with my new toy(ota) I did an inspection on the electrical stuff. It was clear that someone in the past did a lot of work on it and that was not to my liking. Everywhere was tape in the harness and the question was…. What is under it? Before I could start working on it I encountered my first problem.
When the engine runs at idle the Amp meter shows a little discharge. When the rpms go up above 1000 the charge is 15 to 20 Amps. So far so good (I thought).
When I turned on the headlights while the engine was at idle the Amp meter shows a draw of +/- 20 Amps. (Hard to get a good reading with a meter that reads 30 – 0 – 30) That’s OK knowing that I have 90/100 Watt headlight bulbs, 4 running light 5W each, 2 license plate lights 3W each, 2 cluster lights 5W each so that makes 216 Watts divided by 12V is 18 Amps. Now revving up to let’s say 1500 - 2000 rpm or more the discharge was less but still below or around 0. In other words the alternator didn’t charge enough. I was draining the battery.
So I went to the electrical guy in town to check the alternator and voltage regulator.
First he tested the battery for capacity. That was not bad but the conclusion was that the battery was not fully charged. The next step was, start engine, switch on the headlights on High Beam, rev up the engine and read the Voltage. 12 point something. He disconnected the VR, made a short between the IGN and F terminal, did the same test and came to the conclusion….. one or more rectifier diodes where gone. Normally you would replace the whole rectifier plate but that’s a big no no here (I’ll come back on this later). No sir, we replace the diodes that are gone (with bad aftermarket stuff I found out later) and that’s it. So after this repair the battery was charged at 25 to 30 Amps and with the lights on there was still a charge of more then 10 Amps. Good. First problem solved. What I noticed after a good drive to charge the battery, was that the charge dropped to 15 to 20 amps but not lower. Also the charge was not steady. The needle kept sweeping between 15 to 20 Amp. Sometimes it dropped to 10 Amps for a short while. I blamed that to our bumpy dirt roads which are loaded with potholes. At that moment I didn’t worry too much about that. I was happy that the battery was charged and the (charge) voltage was around 13.8Volt at that time.

Now it was time to attack the harness with all the tape and “twist” connections. For one or some reason a PO cut the harness in front of the firewall. Why? Until today I haven’t found out.
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Here you see how the situation was when I bought the truck. This is just an example of the many lousy jobs.

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Removing miles of sticky tape. What a mess.

Digging my way through the harness I found more s#*t everywhere. Some people like to do the T&T. Twist the wires & Tape them. IH8THAT !
I found melted connectors, soldered splices in the main ground wire, and much more, have a look.
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The picture speaks for itself.

To be continued.......

Rudi

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Electrical problems, 99% solved part2

The story goes on.....

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A really bad job. Extension wires for an external amp meter.

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After the clean up.

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Almost finished on the drivers side.

I used the red, blue and yellow crimp-on connectors so now it looks like a circus but I don’t mind.
I’m happy now with the thought that all my connections are decent.

To be continued.....

Rudi

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Electrical problems, 99% solved part 3

Next job was to check for ground(s).
Luckily I have a big fat ground cable directly to the starter housing. This one is equal in diameter as the positive one,
which means that both cables are identical in size and length.
The medium size goes to the top of the fuel filter on the engine block. This is the shortest way for the current to return from the glow plugs.
The small one i added myself and goes to the firewall and is connected at the foot/housing of the Voltage Regulator.

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Don’t comment on the “wet” area around the cap. I’ll come back on that later.

So now that the basic ground system is OK I can continue with the other problems.
BTW, there was (and is) no connecting wire/cable between the engine and the frame/body.

The charge circuit.

That sweeping Amp meter needle (between 15 and 20 Amps), even when the battery was full, gave me a headache.
Two reasons for this. 1st I’ve read so many about batteries and VR’s that one thing was sure, the “trickle” charge was way too much. It should be around 10 Amps when the battery is full.
2nd because of this high “trickle” charge, the battery was almost boiling. That’s why you see the wet area around the cap. The battery was “gassing”.
I was pretty sure that I solved all the bad connections so why is that needle acting so nervous?
I took out the stock VR and checked for bad contacts. Cleaned them up and installed it again. Still the same problem.
I started a thread: https://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/465965-voltage-regulator-adjustment-who-did.html But nobody could help me out.
I took the bull at the horns and with the help of a FSM I tried to do this adjustment.
The voltage was a bit low (13.8V) so I did the adjustment procedure as per the FSM. That is a **** of a job to do that in the car with a running engine. I couldn’t get it right so finally I gave up on this.

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I decided to search for an electronic Voltage Regulator. Now mind you, we don’t have shops like Napa here in Costa Rica so you have to ask and hope that the fellow knows something about electrics.
I ended up with a Bosch solid state regulator # 9 190 087 011 set point 14Volt

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To be continued.....

Rudi
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Electrical problems, 99% solved part 4

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New Bosch regulator installed in the same old location on the firewall. I only had to adjust one hole a bit with my Dremel.
Now this was a slight improvement but the problem was still there. After a while you get used to it and learn to live with it.

On a bright summer day I noticed again charge problems. In the meantime I had a Volt meter installed.
The Volt meter showed 12 something and the Amp meter showed 25Amps.
This time I ended up with a electric guy who was recommended by several people. He knows what he’s doing was the advice I got from everybody.
So I get to his workshop, told him my problem, he starts measuring and checking and tells me; one or more diodes in the rectifier plate are gone. That one I had heard before! I told him about the previous repair and he told me that the diodes they have here are of a questionable quality. If he replaces them he would see me back within a year.
I asked him for a better solution or other options. The options are:
1. Buy a new OEM alternator. No longer available at Toyota.
2. Buy a “refurbished” or “overhauled” alternator. These are rebuild with the same lousy diodes and are way too expensive.
3. Replace the rectifier plate. No longer available at Toyota. I found a shop that sells Nippon Denso but unfortunately my rectifier plate was no longer available.
4. Buy an aftermarket rectifier plate. See above, same bad quality.
So now what? He advised me to change the alternator into a generator with an external rectifier plate. Top quality and better performance he told me. OK, let’s do it.
Now for the people who know a bit of alternators in general. The alternator is an AC generator with a build in rectifier plate so the output is DC. Julio (that’s his name) opened up the alternator and made extensions from the 3 stator fields to the outside. Now I had a 3 phase (AC) generator! He installed a rectifier plate from a Caterpillar backhoe on the inside fender, hooked it up and………. Voila!
There was my new charge system. In combination with the previous installed Bosch Electronic VR this works perfect!
After glowing for 10 seconds (30 Amp drain) and starting, the charge is at maximum (self limiting) capacity of the alternator (30Amps) for a few minutes and then drops gradually to 10 Amps. Within 5 minutes my battery is fully charged.

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Okay, it looks like spaghetti but for now it works. When I’m finished with all the repairs I'll start making it look nice.

Rudi
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Your left-hand inner guard sure looks tidier with the poor wiring work remedied Rudi. :clap:

Are you using that little plastic filter as a pre-filter (before your OEM cannister/cartridge-type fuel filter on your engine)?

I don't think I've ever seen one of those used on a diesel before. (I guess there's no reason not to though.)

:beer:

PS. Ingenious alternator repair !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (And that rectifier sure looks like a long-lasting unit!)
 
if you want to protect your crimps from moisture, use heat shrink when you clean up the wiring
 
Your left-hand inner guard sure looks tidier with the poor wiring work remedied Rudi. :clap:

Are you using that little plastic filter as a pre-filter (before your OEM cannister/cartridge-type fuel filter on your engine)?

I don't think I've ever seen one of those used on a diesel before. (I guess there's no reason not to though.)

:beer:

PS. Ingenious alternator repair !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (And that rectifier sure looks like a long-lasting unit!)

With the quality of the fuel, being it diesel or gasoline here in Costa Rica you really need a pre filter. I replace that filter every 6 months. They only cost a Dollar. Next time I'll take a picture of the "old" one and put it here on the forum. I like it because you have a visual indication of what is happening in your fuel line.

Rudi
 
Electrical problems, 99% solved part 5

For the Diesel guys under you, interested in glow controller problems and glow plugs see my thread:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-tec...where-hooks-glow-controller-into-harness.html
This thread is about a non working glow controller and how the PO did some cross wiring to get the truck going, not knowing that he was frying the 8.5 Volt glow plugs with 12 Volt by bypassing the glowcontroller.


That's it for now.

Rudi
 
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Electrical problems, 99% solved part 6

Next problem to deal with: the cluster gauges.


The problem was that sometimes the oil, fuel and temp gauges dropped to zero and came back (or not) while driving. This happened several times and I thought about a bad contact somewhere in the wiring, back side of the cluster or the fuse box. So every time I told myself, tomorrow I’ll check this out and every time the next day the problem didn’t show up. So I read the FSM wiring diagram, followed the power path and started checking the fuse box for bad contacts, bad fuse, bad wiring connections etc. Cleaned the fuse contacts, replaced the fuse and checked the wiring. None of this helped. Because the problem was intermittent it would pop up 5 times during a drive or stay away for weeks it drove me nuts. Sometimes the life came back if I tapped on the cluster like a pilot of an airplane does when the gauge tells him “empty” and he doesn’t trust the gauge.
I checked the wiring and round connector on the back of the cluster, cleaned the pins of the connector, used contact spray and hoped that finally this was the solution. WRONG! A few days later the problem was back. Hmmmm :hhmm:, thinking and reasoning “what have the 3 gauges in common” besides the fuse and ground? :confused: The key switch! :clap:
When you tap really hard on the cluster, you also send that vibration into the steering column and there is the ignition / starter switch. Long story short…. It was the switch. Now comes the next problem; find the right switch.
Toyota here in Costa Rica is of no help. The standard answer is NO HAY! Which means; we don’t have it! They are not helpful with supplying parts for old timers. So I go to my favorite car parts shop armed with a photocopy of the FSM to make sure I get the right switch. The guy goes into the back and returns with a switch. I compare the switch with the picture from the FSM for the right rectangular 6 pin connector with 5 wires and one empty, √ check. The right colors of the wires, √ check. The cable length, √ check and so on. I also checked the box of this aftermarket switch and it says clearly Land Cruiser BJ40.
What I didn’t check was the number of positions of the switch. My BJ with manual glow has 5 positions. Glow, Off, Acc, On and Start. So when I came home and was ready to change the switch I found out that it had only 4 positions. The “Glow” position was missing :bang: . This switch was for a BJ40 with super glow. Back to the shop (It’s only 65Km and back) to tell the guy that this switch is not good for my Cruiser. Ah, he says and comes back with another one. This time I was armed with a screwdriver and checked for the 5 positions. I read the label on the box and it showed the same text: BJ40.
Long story short, after replacing the switch the problem was gone.
For the future: Always check, check and triple check. The best way is to bring the old part with you and compare it on the spot.

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Rudi
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Electrical problems, 99% solved part 7

The parking brake warning system and the brake switch.

When I bought this truck the parking brake (warning) light didn’t work at all. With the wiring diagram in hand I traced the system and found out that:
- The parking brake switch was missing
- The brake warning light bulb was almost black
- The wiring to the pressure switches was missing the last part
- Both pressure switches were dead
- The brake switch lived his own life, the contacts of the B-B’ part made bad contact

Bringing back to life this circuit needs understanding of how it works. It has two warning functions (parking brake on and no pressure in the MC) done by one indicator light.

The heart of this system is the Stop Light Switch. This is a double switch that serves the Stop Light circuit and the Brake Warning Light circuit.
The A-A’ part serves the Stop Lights.
The B-B’ part serves the Brake Warning Light circuit in combination with the Parking Brake Switch.
Under the MC are two pressure switches. They are N.C. (Normally Closed) when there is no pressure and open up under pressure. The MC is ground.
Let’s see how this works. The Stop Light part is straight forward. The power path is: battery, fuse, Stop Light Switch A’-A, Stop Lights, Ground. Step on the brake, switch closes, Stop Light are on.

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Parking Brake Warning Light.

The situation is: engine off, IG. Switch / Key in “on” position.
Pull the parking brake, light comes on. Power path is: Battery, Key / IG. Switch, Fuse, Warning Light, Parking Brake Switch, Pressure Switches (which are normally closed), Ground.


Now step on the pedal, the light goes out. The Pressure Switches open up under pressure and disconnect from ground. This is also a check function to see if your brake system works okay. If you step on the pedal and the light stays on, it means trouble under the hood.
Start engine, light is on. Release the parking brake, light goes out. Step on the pedal. Light stays out. So far, so good.


No pressure in the Master Cylinder(s) caused by an oil leak or no oil at all.

Here is how it works:
When you step on the pedal the rear brake lights goes on via the A-A' section of the switch. But you have a leak (or air in the system) so the pedal goes deeper. Now the B-B' section takes over from the parking brake switch (which was released and thus open) to keep the circuit going. So the power route is now: Battery, Fuse, Warning Light, B’-B section, pressure switches. Because of the leak or no oil situation the Pressure Switch(es) stays closed so the light comes on.

Replacing the Parking Brake Switch is straight forward.

Replacing the Brake Switch is a bit tougher. Remove the cluster (watch the Amp meter wires), disconnect the brake switch connector, take of the securing nut, and turn counter clockwise the switch out. Try to remember how many turns you made before it came out. This gives you an indication for the position of the new switch. Put the new switch in. Connect the connector. Test with the brake pedal and the parking brake until you have the right position. Tip; you can not turn the switch too much turns. The wiring turns too and twists equally and can become a mess. So after positioning disconnect, straighten the wiring and reconnect.

Rudi

BTW, the pictures in the middle and bottom (both explaining the switch) on page 12-31 of the FSM have errors in them.
Don’t break your head on this.


Coming up later:
Headlight relays and in-line fuses,
No vacuum or vacuum leak Buzzer,
Replacing the reverse light switch,

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Thanks Rudi! I'm not certain my parking brake light circuit is working properly, so this may come in handy to help me out!
 
Rudi, I got my brake warning light all working thanks to input from your thread! The bulb was missing, which was part of the problem, and I was going to argue with you over the "pressure switches" completing the circuit, but now that it's all back together, you are perfectly right! Pressing on the brake pedal, even with the hand brake pulled, makes the lights go off!

Good luck to you on your continuing saga...
 
A few days ago I was wondering....... how accurate are my AMP and VOLT gauges? How reliable are those readings?
So I took my DMM and AMP Clamp meter and opened the hood and did some measuring after a short drive.

Notes:
- The battery was not fully recharged when I took the pics.
- The DMM was connected to the battery poles.
- The DC amp clamp meter was hooked on the fusible link.

I pulled the hand throttle to ±1500 rpm (I guess) and started making some photos.
The Fluke DMM reads 13.6 Volt and the analog Volt meter reads 14Volts.
The DC Amp clamp meter reads 8.8 Amps and the Ammeter in the cluster shows a bit less then 1/3 on the 30 Amp scale.
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I pushed the throttle back to idle and did the readings again.
The DMM reads 12.6 Volt and the analog Volt meter reads on the border of the red/green zone which should be 12.6 Volt.
The DC Amp clamp meter reads 1.5 Amp and the Ammeter in the cluster shows 0.
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Conclusion: The Volt meter is pretty good calibrated but the amp gauge shows a tiny bit too low to my taste but I can live with that. I see the gauges in the cluster more as indicators than as meters.
All in all I'm happy to know that my meters are telling me correct values.

Rudi
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Electrical mess...

Hi Rudi,
I also have a BJ40 in Costa Rica and I'm facing the same kind of messy twist-and-tape electrical installation. The cruiser also has a lot of wires left over from what I'm guessing was some sort of alarm installation.
I would like to redo the entire electrical installation but I don't have any diagrams to guide me.
Where did you get your FSM?
 
Hi Rudi,
I also have a BJ40 in Costa Rica and I'm facing the same kind of messy twist-and-tape electrical installation. The cruiser also has a lot of wires left over from what I'm guessing was some sort of alarm installation.
I would like to redo the entire electrical installation but I don't have any diagrams to guide me.
Where did you get your FSM?

Hi BJ, welcome to the madness.

Where are you located? I'm in Playas del Coco, Guanacaste.
What year is your's?
I'll send you a PM for the FSM.

Hasta luego amigo,

Rudi
 
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