E-85 and 2F

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Rescue Wagon

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I was curious if anyone would know what it would take to run E-85 in the 2F in my Pig?

Thanks

James
 
So, probably just fill up a time or two to get a good tank full and then adjust the carb and timing as needed?
 
Why not?

I know you lose a little fuel economy but it has been a bit cheaper than unleaded for some time.
 
I have read a lot about the cost-benefit analysis on running E-85, it's not very beneficial to switch over. Maybe if it's significantly cheaper, but unless that's the case it's not worth it. X2 on the timing and tweaking, shouldn't be hard at all to run it if you want to. Up to you.

Besides, the energy required to convert corn to ethanol is greater than the energy harvested from the ethanol. While our corn production is up for ethanol, our soybean production is down. Brazil and other South American countries have stepped up their soybean production. Guess what? In order to do that, they burn down the rainforest to make farm land. So all that emissions stuff they're worried about up here? Doesn't do diddly when compared with the smoke produced by burning & clearing trees for farmland. Ironic, isn't it?

Brian
 
FineWynsFJ40 said:
I have read a lot about the cost-benefit analysis on running E-85, it's not very beneficial to switch over. Maybe if it's significantly cheaper, but unless that's the case it's not worth it. X2 on the timing and tweaking, shouldn't be hard at all to run it if you want to. Up to you.

Besides, the energy required to convert corn to ethanol is greater than the energy harvested from the ethanol. While our corn production is up for ethanol, our soybean production is down. Brazil and other South American countries have stepped up their soybean production. Guess what? In order to do that, they burn down the rainforest to make farm land. So all that emissions stuff they're worried about up here? Doesn't do diddly when compared with the smoke produced by burning & clearing trees for farmland. Ironic, isn't it?

Brian
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Ya, it's kind of like rain on a wedding day. :p
 
Rescue Wagon said:
Why not?

I know you lose a little fuel economy but it has been a bit cheaper than unleaded for some time.
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Howdy! I have read that you also loose some preformance, also. I don't know if you can gain ALL of it back by tuning and tweeking. What happens if you need to buy gas over in Grand Encampment? John
 
I ran alcohol in my pig for a period of time. I only did it because I could buy E100 for cheap from the same company that supplies the fuel for the E85. I think I was paying like 1.40 usd per gallon. I also had to buy in bulk with 55 gallon drums. It also works best if you have the non-US distributor and non-US carb. They are made to burn different grades of fuel in 3rd world countries. I owned a 55 with that setup and it had a set of different jets that could be used for different fuel grades.

In a US 2F you can get away in warm weather with running a 40% alcohol mixture in a carb'd 2F. Those going with the 2FE conversion or any type of fuel injection conversions are out of luck.

I wouldn't run straight E85 in the 2F without the non-US items mentioned above. You might get away with a 50/50 blend of e85 and regular gas. Also running it in the summer is better thent he winter due to the time it takes to warm up the engine. It takes more fuel when using ethanol alcohol. Which sucks in the winter. The 2F will not want to stay running until it gets fully warm. Also you will want to replace the fuel filters with something that can withstand the ethanol. Methanol works the best as it burns just like gasoline.
 
inkpot said:
Howdy! I have read that you also loose some preformance, also. I don't know if you can gain ALL of it back by tuning and tweeking. What happens if you need to buy gas over in Grand Encampment? John
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Howdy! Again? I just read an article in this mornings USA Today about Ethanol. Debate on going from E10 being run now up to E20. Detroit automakers are complaining that current stock new cars (non E85) will have problems in the long run, specifically that the CATS will self destruct. It also mentions how E85 is so corrosive that it cannot be transported thru conventional pipe lines. It has to be stored and transported in specially lined containers. I would want to know a lot more about it before I would get real serious about running E85 on a long term/permanent basis. Even if you can deal with most of the performance issues, it doesn't sound real healthy for older rigs. I have also heard that since E85 has less energy per gallon, that 20 gallons of it will yield mileage about equal to 15 gallons of gasoline. I'm an old corn farmer from Illinois, so I would love to see this stuff work out, but I have some serious reservations about it being practical to retrofit old iron to run it. John
 
MiniPigg said:
Those going with the 2FE conversion or any type of fuel injection conversions are out of luck...
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Not necessarily. They can hook up a MegaSquirt and program new fuel curves for E85. My buddy's shop in Fort Collins sells E85 conversion kits and has set up his old CJ5 to burn e85.
 
PabloCruise said:
Not necessarily. They can hook up a MegaSquirt and program new fuel curves for E85. My buddy's shop in Fort Collins sells E85 conversion kits and has set up his old CJ5 to burn e85.
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Si ... I know bro... I want to use a Megasquirt with my current project. I'm not sure many know about the Megasquirt engine management system that you can make your self or even buy in a kit form. I was going to use one of these on my Jag V12. I was trying to get some feedback on the 3FE forums.

they would also need to replace some rubber. I have a thread on how i did mine....

With my carb I was able to mix my own and adjust the carb accordingly. It worked pretty good and I had fun mixing fuels. :grinpimp:

One thing that sucks up here about E85 it costs about the same as high octance gas. Where as I can buy E100 for cheap and mix it. Weee haaaa ....

yeee haa baby

btw.... weren't you going the 2FE route?
 
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I am running a e85 kit in my Tacoma - have been for about a year now. It's running about $2.19 /gallon in Denver.

I have a link in my Sig about it.

The biggest hurdle you will have is the Carburetor, at least the system i have installed works only with fuel injected engines.

It does significantly reduce your MPG's. I get about 13 in my Tacoma and it got 16 or so w. gas.

There is absolutely no decrease in performance.



Answer me this, if it took more energy to convert corn to ethanol, than you get out of it, why are they doing it? Sounds like you couldn't make any money????

The energy that is converted into ethanol from the corn is generated mostly by the sun, when the corn grows. Granted there are quite a few other crops that will yeild more ethanol per pound than corn,
 
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