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Tapage

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Well .. not to start thread about if that would happen or not .. and pretty sure most of us already got most of the " important " ( for us ) stuff to keep us and our family safe .. my idea here it's just share what you think it's " important " and what do you have in your list ..

Did you have a fire starter ...?

I have a Swedish Firesteel but I'm also thinking in small Honda ( coz are really nice and quiet ) generator .. also what do you have for water purification .?

that's it ..
 
The only thing that will define survival, and ultimately your long term survival, will be potable water, or a means to collect, store, and protect it.

Everything else will be moot...gas, propane, etc. will be depleted in a short while. Everything you do will be based in your backyard, or your SHTF spot/area.

Hopefully wild game, canned and dehydrated foods you prepped for will help..but you can last a few months without food...you're only going to last a few days without water. Any water you have will be in big demand by those that have not prepared.

Are you going to waste your first Aid supplies on strangers?...there are some tough decisions that will have to be made. Even the worst case scenario you can imagine will seem like a fairy tale, if something serious happens. Chances are the UN won't be dropping supplies for us.

I think a means to start a fire would be the very least of your problems...you can learn 10 different methods in about a half hour.
 
well maybe my title went too far ..

And about water .. what it would be .?

Actually kind complicated .. we have plenty rivers in the country but in a total Doomsday situation that will be complicated too ..

Well but let's imagine we have a fairly natural river .. ( natural normal wise contamination .. )

Best alternative ?
 
Water for how many?...one..or four?

Winter or summer?......frozen water is harder to drink..:lol:

There's just so many scenarios you have to pick what's going to work best for you(and your family) based on your locale, and seasonal changes. Obviously the the game changes dramatically if your forced out into freezing temps.

I would start with water purification tablets, a filter with extra cartridges, plastic to collect rain water, vessels to hold it. Charcoal filters are also pretty simple, and inexpensive, and do a great job.

There's a great thread going already about storing water, and I think a good plan would be to store a minimum of 20 gallons (4 -5 gallon buckets), and swap it out every 6 months.

I also think a good plan to follow for everyone, is the one they utilize when hurricanes are getting ready to hit...something like plan on being on your own, for a minimum of 3 days before any help arrives.
 
lucky for us down here we don't need to worry ( not yet .. ) for any freezing temps .. so that won't be an issue for us ..

I already have 12 gallons safe .. and I rotate 'em about 4 -6 months .. was I was thinking it's kind of tablets, if any given scenario we need to ran out from the City ( I live in the middle of the Panamá City ) and let's imagine I would pic mountains in the middle of the country ..

Plenty rivers around .. nut as natural sure they are contaminated with animals and just nature ..
 
I keep a bunch of gallon jugs of water in the freezer (our big deep freeze).
They serve a number of purposes;
1- Reserve water.
2- The freezer is more efficient when full
3- They will help keep stuff cold short term during power outages until I can fire up the Genset.

If the power is going to be out long term I can thaw and preserve the contents. to that end;

This summer we got a pressure canner and started canning stuff from the garden, we like the control over contents in our food and I think it is one of those old school skills that may come in handy.
 
^^^ That's a great idea and one I hadn't thought of! We have 5, 5 gal water cans to rotate water in amongst other various supply's. :D

-Daniel
 
I also fill empty freezer space with jugs of water. I got into the habit when I was using upright freezers. I now have chest freezers and still do it.
 
ssichler said:
Yeah but if you line your hat with tin foil they will not be able to track you.
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-Daniel
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I am looking at what it would take to build a small, solar powered desalination kit that could produce 5 gallons of drinkable water per day...
 
Tigerstripe40 said:
I am looking at what it would take to build a small, solar powered desalination kit that could produce 5 gallons of drinkable water per day...
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Take a look at how a still works. Substitute a solar heat source like using many mirrors to concentrate the light on the kettle.
 
I thought up of this design idea after my still post.

If it was for purifying fresh water, I'd use a linear parabolic mirror and pipe for the boiling chamber. Some polished stainless steel is all that would be needed for he mirror. To keep from having to adjust the mirror's position all day, I'd orientate the pipe/mirror in alignment with the sun's path, with a slope from one end to the other. At the top end of the pipe I'd have a vertical output pipe, and the tube to the still's cooling coils would be attached to the top of it. At the bottom end of the heating pipe I'd have a source water pipe. That would be connected to a relatively large water container that has it's top close to the mid height of the vertical output pipe. As water is boiled off in the heating pipe the source jug will replenish it. As the system boils water, the water in the pipe will get loaded up with a brine that can't be boiled off like the salts, etc. Every so often, turn off the source pipe, and drain the water in the heating pipe. That means there needs to be a valve on the source water line, and a spigot at the bottom end of the heating pipe for draining it. It likely should be done every gallon produced or so. Also setup the system so it is easy to remove and descale the heating pipe and vertical output pipe. If the water level in the system is maintained high enough that the top level is in the vertical output pipe, little scaling will happen in the heating pipe.

The reason I orientated the pipe with the path of the sun is now the system only needs the mirror moved every few days instead of needing to track the sun all day. It does have the disadvantage of only producing for part of the day, but with long heating pipes with low slopes it can easily produce for the middle 8 hours of the day when the sun is highest.

The diameter of the heating pipe and vertical output pipe needs to be such that steam bubbles don't pump water so it likely should be at least 1.5" in diameter.

Because the volume in the pipes isn't that great, this still should be able to produce quite quickly after setup, and can produce on lightly cloudy days, and in the sunny periods between clouds. On the other hand the kettle of a conventional still could be heated by fire.
 
Another idea would be to scale up the classic boy scout plastic sheet still and place it over a big pan of water. Instead of digging a pit, use a framework to hold up the plastic. The top surface of the plastic could be formed into allot of ridges and troths using rods. From the side it would look like a whole bunch of Vs strung together. Under the bottoms of the Vs troths can be placed to collect the drips. Those troths can then direct the water to the catch jug.
 
Bogo, first off great ideas, second can you give us a sketch of the first idea? Thanks!!!

-Daniel
 
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